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Topic: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
41. Author:  red-star-par        
Date: Mon 4th Mar 2024. 23:03

I like Jeremy Corby, I used to vote for Labour, when they actually had values. I believe Corbyn to be a good man, and would have been tempted to vote for Labour under him.

It`s no surprise he was seen as a genuine threat and the press led a campaign against him.

We are now back to blue tories or red tories, no real choice.

A alternative to Labour could split those who would vote for them though, let the tories in the back door, similar to ALBA up here with the independence vote

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42. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Tue 5th Mar 2024. 00:11

That`s the big concern, red-star-par. The last thing needed is to let the Tories slip back in, effectively by mistake. However, this is all about confidence.

The UK Labour Party currently has about 400,000 members, and I`ve heard it stated that half of those would move to Corbyn if he were to present a challenge with a new left-leaning party/coalition.

Starmer seems to be a dead duck in a lot of people`s eyes now after his stance on Israel. Many will vote Labour, simply because it is not Tory, but would they vote for a new left-leaning party/coalition led by Jeremy Corbyn? That`s the $64,000 question.

That`s where confidence comes in. And in that respect, no one is better equipped than George Galloway to instil that confidence in the left and actively undermine the established parties.

Starmer`s best hope is that Sunak will announce an early election. The longer he leaves it, the more likely it is that Galloway`s plan could succeed.

The next few months in UK politics are going to be very interesting.



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43. Author:  LochgellyAlbert        
Date: Tue 5th Mar 2024. 09:12

The big gravy train that is Westminster is really needing reformed, the expenses scandal and subsequent changes have not made it anymore honourable.

Someone like Gullis who was a former schoolteacher on £38K, is apparently worth £4 million now!

How is that even possible on an MP`S salary?🤔

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44. Author:  Tenruh        
Date: Tue 5th Mar 2024. 10:39

Why bother about Westminster? Whether we send 57 or 1 independence supporting MPs it won`t make any difference to our position.
Why do our MPs sit in there ? What do they achieve.

Likewise the system in Scotland needs tweaked....Why should a List MSP be allowed a second term, surely 5 year`s is enough to show their worth .

They maybe need to be a bit more radical in both parliaments

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/05/pick-the-ground-for-your-fight-carefully/#respond

Post Edited (Tue 05 Mar 10:41)

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45. Author:  wee eck        
Date: Fri 15th Mar 2024. 18:13

He says he`s considering standing against Andy Burnham as mayor of Greater Manchester in the May local elections. I wonder how the good folk of Rochdale would feel about that as he`d have to resign as their MP if successful.



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46. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Fri 22nd Mar 2024. 09:27

Parliament doesn`t often hear speeches of this quality. Doubtless, none of this will be shown on the BBC or ITV. Nonetheless, George Galloway`s arguments here are very well put and hard to counter, even if more MPs were in the chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hem6tq4zv9y



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47. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Wed 27th Mar 2024. 19:13

This dangerous chancer is now peddling the ludicrous line that the USA and Britain were behind the IS attack in Moscow. According to him that why Obama visited Downing Street a couple of weeks back.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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48. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Thu 28th Mar 2024. 20:46

George Galloway is by no means alone in expressing the view that the CIA, possibly/probably with the assistance of MI6 through their vassal, Ukraine, played some role in the Crocus City Hall massacre.

The speed with which the USA claimed that it was ISIS was highly suspicious, as was the announcement by the outgoing US undersecretary of state, Victoria Newland, two weeks previous to the atrocity that a "surprise" was in store for Russia.

Experts in terrorism point to the fact that the four perpetrators who faced a Moscow court did not fit with the well-established model for Islamic terrorists - people driven by a religious fervour, often highly intelligent, who are prepared to die as a martyr for their cause. Instead, these characters were low-IQ, had been paid for their services, and were escaping Moscow when arrested.

There has long been a suspicion that Obama is running the Democratic Party, not Biden. You need only look at the way the Democratic Primaries were stolen from Bernie Sanders to grasp the extent to which unseen figures corrupt that party.

Few would dispute that George Galloway is a divisive character. He riles the left and right in equal measure. But, for all of that, he has been proven correct more often than not on many key international issues.

Many people regard him as a chancer, but few could justify claiming he is dangerous. On the contrary, had we listened to his warnings more intently, the world might have been a safer place in most instances.



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49. Author:  parsfan        
Date: Fri 29th Mar 2024. 00:44

Oh FFS, I`m quite pished at the moment and might regret whatever I come out with next but let`s see where we go.

Oz, you`re an intelligent guy, no question there, and I can always see where you`re coming from but I think you`re falling into the trap of all West bad all opposite good here.

Well before that attack on Moscow "the west" said there an imminent attack coming. Are you suggesting they both organised and warned of that slaughter? There was nothing "highly suspicious", they`d warned them there was an attack coming and advised people avoid the very situation where it happened.

"George Galloway is by no means alone"
Care to share with us who else share his beliefs? Anyone outwith Moscow`s control?

Militant Islam isn`t just against ”the west", they`re also against Russia, they favour not one side or the other in our dispute, they`re on their side and EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side.

This isn`t binary or in any way simple, but they`ll try to make the most of ”my enemy`s enemy is my friend", or "useful idiot" to be more blunt about it.

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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference





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50. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Fri 29th Mar 2024. 12:53

I think dangerous is an appropriate word for a British MP who, without a shred of evidence, stating that the UK partly orchestrated a terrorist attack in Moscow that killed hundreds.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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51. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 01:46

Parsfan, you ask if anyone else shares George Galloway`s views on the terrorist attack on Crocus City Hall. Well, here are three for starters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wnke6e3n2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmoqbobl66c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zkyk_jbhq

Galloway is not suggesting that the US and UK were directly involved in the atrocity. He stated that if Ukraine were involved, there would be no way that the US and UK governments would not be aware in advance. Indeed, at least two public statements made by US officials suggest they had advanced knowledge.

As I pointed out in my earlier post, the likelihood of militant Islamists being behind this attack is low for the reasons given, but most obvious of all, because the attack occurred during Ramadan, observed by Muslims worldwide as a month of fasting, prayer, and reflection.

I repeat, Galloway is not dangerous. He is an opportunist and influential, but he is fearless and has supported the Palestinian cause for 40+ years. Because of this, his enemies are many and vocal, but he has friends too. Over three million people worldwide watched his podcasts last week. It will be interesting to see if his party succeeds in denting Labour`s prospects at the next election. We should not underestimate him.

If you want an illustration of this, look no further than the beginning of this thread, where a poster suggests George Galloway will lose his deposit; instead, he won with a 12,000-plus majority. This misreading of what is happening is primarily due to people relying on a dying mainstream media overwhelmed by institutional bias.

In the same way that views-on-demand services have replaced traditional television, conventional news services are being scuppered by independent online outlets. The glorious irony is that many of these independent outlets are operated by journalists fired by media conglomerates seeking to cut costs. Instead, those journalists collectively undermine and gradually destroy their old employers` businesses.

The development of independent media includes a growing number of subject-specific experts, which enhances the medium`s value. Of course, not all experts are reliable, nor are their motives always clear, but in much the same way that you perhaps prefer Radio Scotland over Radio Two, you must learn to differentiate.

You can extrapolate this trend to where you are now—dafc.net. We once would automatically turn to newspapers for news on the Pars or BBC Scotland, but nowadays, we find that news here, on other fan sites, or on `X`.

It is about adapting to change and accepting that the news we are fed daily is perhaps not news at all but manufactured lies.



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52. Author:  Tenruh        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 05:57

When I realised the MSM in the UK were owned by 6 groups of individuals all pushing the same agenda I stopped buying newspapers along with many other people

Never missed them and in todays prices I`d have spent between £15 to £20 a week.
The day I stopped 17th September 2014...saved thousands of £££££

They still cannot sell a Sun in Liverpool, how many years is that now ?

Post Edited (Sat 30 Mar 05:58)

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53. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 08:01

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/holy-month-jihad-measuring-terrorist-activity-during-ramadan-post-911-era

Story`s six years old now but details how Isis and other such islamic extremists often call for and carry out deadly acts of violence during Ramadan. A quick Google will give you loads of articles all detailing the same stats of how Ramadan often sees IS carry out more attacks during the holy month. More recently earlier this year, IS spokesman, Abu Hudhayfah al-Ansari , called for IS supporters to step up attacks around the world and labeled Ramadan as `a month of jihad`.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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54. Author:  jake89        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 08:08

The One Who Knocks, Sat 30 Mar 08:01

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/holy-month-jihad-measuring-terrorist-activity-during-ramadan-post-911-era

Story`s six years old now but details how Isis and other such islamic extremists often call for and carry out deadly acts of violence during Ramadan. A quick Google will give you loads of articles all detailing the same stats of how Ramadan often sees IS carry out more attacks during the holy month. More recently earlier this year, IS spokesman, Abu Hudhayfah al-Ansari , called for IS supporters to step up attacks around the world and labeled Ramadan as `a month of jihad`.


Maybe they just need a Snickers?

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55. Author:  P        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 21:30

Can’t wait for the next thrilling instalment of ‘gullible pars fans and their daft conspiracy theories’ to declare the Baltimore bridge was a false flag operation and the power loss was a coordinated light flicking exercise by the CIA or other such twaddle

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56. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Sat 30th Mar 2024. 23:06

There is a huge difference between being gullible and being sceptical, P. And you would be gullible to think I am the former.

Don`t expect any conspiracy theories on the Baltimore Bridge disaster. It is known that the ship suffered a power loss at a critical point in its departure from the port. Its large swing to the right (starboard) was most likely due to transverse thrust, a phenomenon that results in a ship turning right when placing the propeller(s) in reverse (full astern).



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57. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Mon 1st Apr 2024. 15:45

Alastair Crooke, a former UK diplomat, worked for 30 years in MI6 under diplomatic cover in various hotspots. Here, he provides a very sharp assessment of the current situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia. We should be careful not to let our leaders walk us into a major world war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ivpdk49a8



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58. Author:  parsfan        
Date: Mon 1st Apr 2024. 22:26

Oz, thanks for posting. It`s taken a while but I finally found the time to look at your links.

Summary: no one with an open mind on the subject then?

I didn`t get far with two videos hosted by the guy fervently opposed to any US involvement in for foreign wars. I just needed to see who they were with to confirm there was going to be nothing objective in there. You could have saved me sometime by just saying "Scott Ritter".

The last one I watched through. The main guy was just opinions and allegations. Like many of these conspiracy theory guys he starts with the conclusion he wants and says everything they find out about whatever it is they`re talking about backs it up. I don`t know if it was genuine ignorance of the Syrian civil war or if he was being deliberately disingenuous but it all just backed up what I was thinking about the guy. The other guy, who I think might be of a similar mind to the first one on other things, applied some analysis and logic and came to the entirely opposite view.


Fair play for posting where it`s coming from though, most treading this path just say "look for it yourself".

While I`m here...
Don`t expect any conspiracy theories on the Baltimore Bridge disaster.
Don`t expect it from you or at all? There already have been, I`d be surprised if you haven`t seen them. I even noticed in the comments of one of those videos someone asking for "the truth" about it.

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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference





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59. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Tue 2nd Apr 2024. 01:04

Fair comments, parsfan. I guess the term "open mind" is subject to interpretation depending on your point of view. Your take on that interview emphasises my long-held opinion that one should listen to and test arguments from north, south, east and west perspectives before drawing a conclusion. This was a good example.

Incidentally, these two journalists, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate, in concert with two other independent newsgroups, exposed as outright lies and inventions the New York Times story on the alleged rape atrocities, cooked babies, and other tall tales of October 7 that went global. The NYT has since had to backtrack, but still, we hear these bullshit stories being repeated. Mud sticks and that was the Israeli`s intention. These guys may not have the presentation skills of a BBC Newsnight host, but they are proper journalists, know their subjects, and examine them with rigour.

The mainstream media in the UK, US, Australia, and elsewhere generally fails the public. It is failing in its duty to question the official lines. As a result, independent journalists were, for example, the first to report on the IDF helicopters and tanks firing at their own citizens, the repeated debunking of October 7 lies through proper research, and the exposure of the truth that Ukraine has effectively lost its war with Russia since the failure of the Spring offensive.

The claims that Ukraine was behind the attack on Crocus City Hall, with US and UK support, are yet to be proved or disproved. I hope it is the latter. Otherwise, we are in dangerous territory.

Yes, I have heard the daft loons` theories about the Baltimore Bridge disaster. Still, I should point out that in my early twenties, I was a watchkeeping navigating officer on 250,000-tonne supertankers. Sure, that was a long time ago—a lifetime ago—but I still understand the principles and can recognise what is likely to have occurred aboard that container ship.



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60. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Sat 20th Apr 2024. 02:39

Oh, thank God for George Galloway! He is a sincere and articulate voice of sanity and reason against Israel`s appalling behaviour. In less than two months, he has asked more testing questions of this pathetic and weak Tory government than the vast majority of the political midgets purporting to represent their constituents in Parliament.

Britain needs politicians who reflect the views of their citizens, not the contents of fat brown envelopes from Tel Aviv.

In this clip from Parliament, jump to 12:45 to see an example of Galloway`s biting questions and the government`s limp response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiaunnceryq



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