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Topic: Delaying the restart
1. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 12:22 I know not all of us follow the EPL - but I`m interested in the Pars view on the yellows given to my local team (Bottomnal) for `delaying the restart`. It does seem slightly odd - given that this kind of thing happens almost every free-kick, that only, to my memory, 4 players have been booked for it this season. Rice (second yellow v Brighton), Saliba (v Spurs), Bruno Fernandes (Man Utd vs Southampton) and Trossard (yesterday). My memory might be being incredibly selective (alas the EPL doesn`t seem to provide data on yellows given and reasons, so happy to hear additional examples not involving Bottomnal), but it does seem that Bottomnal are being punished for this way more than other teams. Do they delay the restart more than other teams, or have they been unlucky? There seem to be plenty of examples of restarts being delayed (including in the same game as the Bottomnal yellows) that have not been punished in the same way. Reply
2. Author: Paralex Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 13:16 I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge. Reply
3. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 13:42 I really don`t think the shoulder charge was a booking. If you watch it he`s tracking the ball and Bernardo actually moves towards Trossard before contact is made. Foul - probably, but not a booking for me (especially after what Haaland got away with later in the game. Sky have timed the gap between the whistle blowing and trossard delaying the restart at 0.84s - his leg was already in the kicking motion prior to the whistle blowing. It`s actually quite hard to stop a kick once you`ve started it...so I feel Trossard has been hard done by here. As I said above, if every player gets booked for it, fine. But they don`t Reply
4. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 14:54 Arsenal fans are getting progressively more paranoid as the weeks go by. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply
5. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 14:58 That may be the case DA-go. Do you have evidence to substantiate? Reply
6. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 15:16 Your post about Declan Rice a couple of weeks back, for starters... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply
7. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 15:18 Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16 I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge. If thats the case then surelt Haaland should have gone too then? Nearly as bad as Harry Kane for putting defenders in danger from his dodgey tactics Reply
8. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 15:28 Not sure what you`re getting at DA Go. I posted about it because I can`t comprehend how any ref (let alone a whole panel) can look at that incident and conclude that the correct decision was a yellow for rice, and nothing for Veltman who`s deliberately punted him in the shins. I am quite conscious that I`m looking at this through biased lenses, and am willing to be corrected. But, as I say, give how prevalent delaying the restart is, that 3 of the 4 yellows given for it this season have been to Arsenal players, is an incredible statistical anomaly. If you can show evidence to the contrary id be really grateful. Reply
9. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 15:51 As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing. I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though. Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply
10. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 17:08 "Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped." Not me. That`s a nonsense. "I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though." Yes. I gave one myself at the start of the thread. Bruno Fernandes against Southampton last week. "As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing." Totally fine. FWIW I don`t think there`s a conspiracy against Arsenal either. I do think biases, possibly unconscious ones, (e.g Arsenal are `dirty`, Arsenal employ the `dark arts`) affect decision making. I remember a particularly hilarious situation where Xhaka was yellowed for `persistent fouling` after his first foul. That`s entirely down to the referee`s perception of Xhaka as a `dirty` player, rather than anything Xhaka did in the game. I think it`s a similar reason why Arsenal are getting treated differently to other teams with regards to delaying the restart. As an aside, I do think it`s ludicrous that Michael Oliver is allowed to be paid by Sheikh Mansour (through his company ADNOC) to referee games in UAE for massively inflated fees. In any `normal` workplace that would be a clear conflict of interest and grounds for dismissal. Reply
11. Author: DJAS Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 17:27 Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16 I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge. Agree with this. Predictor league winner 2012/2013 Reply
12. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 18:01 ^^^ Assume you also agree that Haaland should have seen red (at least two yellows for his antics after the goal and after the restart then)? Reply
13. Author: d3monstrate Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 18:48 Did Havertz get booked for the same barge in the first 8 seconds of the game? Reply
14. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 19:00 No. Because it wasn`t the same. Reply
15. Author: DJAS Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 20:27 Bandy, Mon 23 Sep 18:01 ^^^ Assume you also agree that Haaland should have seen red (at least two yellows for his antics after the goal and after the restart then)? You assume wrong Predictor league winner 2012/2013 Reply
16. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 21:02 It`s great that you disagree! Different opinions make the game interesting! Can you explain why you felt Trossards foul on Silva was a booking, but neither throwing a ball at someones head, nor running into someone a full speed off the ball do not? Genuinely interested in your rationale. Reply
17. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 23:26 Bandy, Mon 23 Sep 21:02 It`s great that you disagree! Different opinions make the game interesting! Can you explain why you felt Trossards foul on Silva was a booking, but neither throwing a ball at someones head, nor running into someone a full speed off the ball do not? Genuinely interested in your rationale. He was booked for kicking the ball away in anger. Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte Reply
18. Author: Bandy Date: Mon 23rd Sep 2024. 23:35 I know. People above are arguing that point is moot because he should have been booked for the preceding foul. Reply
19. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 24th Sep 2024. 01:07 How you can be booked for kicking the ball away in anger, with under 1 second reaction time from the referees whistle, is genuinely mind boggling 😂 had it been a couple of seconds after then fair enough, but the whistles still in the refs mouth in that time! Reply
20. Author: kelty_par Date: Tue 24th Sep 2024. 05:56 The Rice one was fair enough I reckon - it was clearly delaying the restart as the Brighton player was about to play the ball. But I don`t see how Trossard could be pinged for delaying the restart when Silva was on his back and the game wasn`t going to be restarted for a good minute or so anyway. Reply

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