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| 21. Author: veteraneastender Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 15:27 "Not really, you brought in the possibility of us drawing them in the cup in our current predicament - which was nothing to do with the policy I was talking about. You then seemed to answer the question yourself by saying the current board wouldn`t entertain it." I just don`t follow the distinction between a league game or a cup tie in terms of potential attendance. Reply |
| 22. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 15:55 It`s because I wouldn`t be trying to maximise the overall attendance in a league match against either of the former Old Firm - if the club found itself in the top division. I think that policy ultimately costs a provincial club like ours. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply |
| 23. Author: parsmad68 Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 16:24 veteraneastender, Mon 21 Oct 15:27 I’m with you VEE. It would need to be a one size fits all approach for league and cup. Reply |
| 24. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 16:50 If we were in the Premier League, I`d do the same in cup games. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply |
| 25. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 17:26 Screw the money - if we get back to the top flight give them either the East or the North East and thats it. Too long have these clubs ruled the roost and brought their vitriol and bile to other grounds. If we are the family club we claim to be we should do everything we can to minimise bigotry within our ground. Reply |
| 26. Author: GG Riva Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 18:01 The vast majority of club owners do not follow the logic of their fans, and perhaps it`s just as well. They will normally want to maximise their income from every home game played, so that means giving more seats to clubs with larger travelling support. 😒 Unpalatable though that may be to most of us, it makes good financial sense. Many Pars fans will remember seeing both the South Stand and the Norrie with plenty of empty seats when we have hosted the OF. Some have even posted on here that they refuse to attend these games on a point of principle.  Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 27. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 19:34 It might not make financial sense in the longer term. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply |
| 28. Author: Buster_Brown Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 19:55 I’m caught in 2 minds really, I hate seeing Old Firm fans being given home ends by the clubs….but I hate having Old Firm fans in seats in the home ends because it’s the only way they could get a ticket. I’m sure most of us have witnessed this, sitting watching a game in your normal seat or whatever, and surrounded by little pockets of them or seeing folk jump up to celebrate when they score. It is a double edged sword for clubs and I do get it, ultimately they are a business and fans are consumers, whether we like it or not. I remember Jim Leishman once saying (at a fan event) “I would rather see Dunfermline fans in Dunfermline seats, but we can’t attract enough Dunfermline fans into those seats”. I think that’s the harsh reality and the point that needs to be addressed, but sadly it’s not an easy fix or we would have got there by now. Reply |
| 29. Author: Rusty Shackleford Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 20:06 DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 21 Oct 19:34 Plus, I`m not sure we should be looking at football owners as a model of profitability. St Mirren should be applauded for having the courage to try something different and follow through with it. Reply |
| 30. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 20:15 There`s 3,000 season ticket holders - probably more if we got promoted. Just limit the sale of additional tickets to season ticket holders. There won`t be too many Pars supporters who want to go, don`t have a season ticket and do not know a single person who has one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply |
| 31. Author: saltonsgonagetu Date: Mon 21st Oct 2024. 21:23 St Mirren crowds versus the Old Firm, are up since they cut their allocation . I`m sure Alan Burrows said when at Motherwell 30-40% of season ticket holders did not turn up for Old Firm games , not that you will find these stats in the Scottish media .  Reply |
| 32. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 07:45 saltonsgonagetu, Mon 21 Oct 21:23 That`s quite a claim from both Alan Burrows and St Mirren. I`ve no reason to doubt either, but find both quite fascinating. Let`s take Motherwell first. Why would so many ST holders stay away for their home games v the OF? Was it because they feared the almost inevitable tanking, crowd trouble or the rancid atmosphere complete with sectarian singing? And why are St Mirren fans now turning up in increasing numbers? Is it really just down to the prospect of having less away fans in the stadium? Is it not more likely that it`s because their team is now more resilient and competing than that of a few seasons ago? Arguably, the last time the Pars had a competitive team was under the two Jimmies, at the beginning of the century. As I recall, we struggled to bring in much more than 5/6 thousand home fans in most games and never managed to sell out even when Rangers or Celtic were in town. Of course, that was probably down to those games being shown live on the BBC on a Sunday pm. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 33. Author: Rusty Shackleford Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 09:02 Even lower than that GG. Some of the attendances during the Jimmies era were miserable and I`d love to discuss it at length on here one day. Something that really sticks in the memory for me is Motherwell at home a few days after beating Caley in the Scottish Cup semi. There`s no doubt that this was the absolute peak point of DAFC in the last 35 years or so. Qualifying for Europe guaranteed, sitting 4th in the SPL and a cup final to look forward to. Skerla, Brewster, Crawford et al in the team. The crowd that day? 4,290. Reply |
| 34. Author: parsfan Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 09:13 saltonsgonagetu, Mon 21 Oct 21:23 It sounds like for St Mirren they`re trying to imply more home fans are going because there`s less away fans. It could just mean that there`s more away fans in the home end. Couple that with the tendency these days to inflate the attendance figures by including people who aren`t there and there could potentially be less home fans in the ground than normal. They just have the stats to prove the opposite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The universe is ruled by chance and indifference  Reply |
| 35. Author: veteraneastender Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 09:23 Back in the successful era of the 1960s average crowd for a league game was 5-6 thousand. Generally only visits from the Glasgow and Edinburgh teams with their travelling support would result in a bigger attendance. BR used to run special trains for Hibs and Hearts fans which were well used. Reply |
| 36. Author: Bandy Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 11:25 I look back on that two Jimmies era with a mixture of joy and sadness. Joy because that team was fantastic to watch and genuinely the 3rd/4th best team in Scotland, playing some champagne football at times. Sadness, because that`s probably the best Pars team I`ll ever see. At the start I think yorkston/Masterton`s intentions were good...invest in the team and hope the bigger crowds would follow; almost `build it and they will come` field of dreams stuff. The crowds however never materialised, the investment never came back, which precipitated an awful cycle of decline which Masterton and Yorkston were ill-equipped (I`m feeling kind today) to manage. It`s sobering to think that that`s the geunine `ceiling` for the Pars - we were punching above our weight (having spent money we didn`t have), and still the crowds wouldn`t move...if I were a prospective investor in the Pars, I`d be looking back on that era and wonder exactly what I would be investing in. Reply |
| 37. Author: Buster_Brown Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 13:44 Rusty Shackleford, Tue 22 Oct 09:02 That would be a good discussion but sadly it’s in the past and despite the club being excellent on the park, I don’t remember us really getting into the community in any way. HOWEVER….i can accept that I might be wrong on that one, I spent that whole period in the Royal Navy and travelling up from Portsmouth pretty much every week to watch games, and wasn’t really living in the area at the time. Bandy, Tue 22 Oct 11:25 This is spot on Reply |
| 38. Author: red-star-par Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 15:07 I agree with that regarding the Masterton era, that was the best it could be for us, financially doping to the hilt, international players, signing the captain of Aberdeen on better wages than they could afford, cup finals, genuinely looking like a contender for being the best of the rest outwith the Old Firm, European football and still we were getting crowds of around 5,000. Pretty much shows the German investors had it spot it on with trying to grow a community club culture and team based on a thriving Academy. Pity they couldn`t engage the fans to bring them along on that journey and the fans couldn`t engage their brains to look outside the box Reply |
| 39. Author: parsmad68 Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 16:33 red-star-par, Tue 22 Oct 15:07 I would say that is a bit unfair reflection of the fans. I run a business and I disagreed with some of the amateur work being produced by the investors. I was invested in the journey but it quickly goes south when the plans started to flounder and people lose confidence whether the plan is viable. Given the board are selling up I think that tells us more about their journey. If I picked up incorrectly on the inference then I apologise. Reply |
| 40. Author: veteraneastender Date: Tue 22nd Oct 2024. 17:48 "I would say that is a bit unfair reflection of the fans." A good deal more than a "bit unfair" comment. There isn`t an extensive latent fan base out there prepared to meet the overpriced admission prices to attend football regularly. A different scenario from the days when Leishman`s teams were drawing in thousands paying a few quid at the gate. Reply |
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