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Topic: Dumbarton to go into administration
21. Author:  Kdy Par        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 10:16

NMCmassive, Wed 20 Nov 09:42

da_no_1, Tue 19 Nov 23:00

NMCmassive, Tue 19 Nov 22:11

jake89, Tue 19 Nov 20:20

NMCmassive, Tue 19 Nov 18:01

PARadise, Tue 19 Nov 17:56

Hope they pull through it, incredibly significant club in the history of Scottish football.

On an unrelated note I wonder how the wee teams finances will be after they appeared to have spent a fortune this season and look to be struggling at the moment to make the play offs


Wee team are only spending what they get from Mr Convertor.

They’ll be fine


Weird him being so keen to spend money on a club in that way. Amazing how the number of sold season tickets magically doubled too.


Honestly I don’t know about it either.

Could he just be a local guy with a bit of cash that willing to put that much money into a football club… possibly!

Converters group is a big company but I don’t think it’s any bigger than KDM/SRJ… certainly not bigger than the Purvis group in its pomp 🤷🏻‍♂️


The guy who sold Kingdom Homes for nearly 80 million is on their board. He also owns The Dean Park Hotel. Plenty loose change but not unlimited.


It was Dean McKenzie I was referring too.

Think the sale of Kingdom was closer to £30/35 million 🤔 that doesn’t mean he received all of that monies either. However it went down, he’s definitely received a fair chunk of change tho


I thought all the extra spending was down to the increase in pie sales 😏

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22. Author:  Back_oh_the_net        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 11:56

Kdy Par, Wed 20 Nov 10:16

NMCmassive, Wed 20 Nov 09:42

da_no_1, Tue 19 Nov 23:00

NMCmassive, Tue 19 Nov 22:11

jake89, Tue 19 Nov 20:20

NMCmassive, Tue 19 Nov 18:01

PARadise, Tue 19 Nov 17:56

Hope they pull through it, incredibly significant club in the history of Scottish football.

On an unrelated note I wonder how the wee teams finances will be after they appeared to have spent a fortune this season and look to be struggling at the moment to make the play offs


Wee team are only spending what they get from Mr Convertor.

They’ll be fine


Weird him being so keen to spend money on a club in that way. Amazing how the number of sold season tickets magically doubled too.


Honestly I don’t know about it either.

Could he just be a local guy with a bit of cash that willing to put that much money into a football club… possibly!

Converters group is a big company but I don’t think it’s any bigger than KDM/SRJ… certainly not bigger than the Purvis group in its pomp 🤷🏻‍♂️


The guy who sold Kingdom Homes for nearly 80 million is on their board. He also owns The Dean Park Hotel. Plenty loose change but not unlimited.


It was Dean McKenzie I was referring too.

Think the sale of Kingdom was closer to £30/35 million 🤔 that doesn’t mean he received all of that monies either. However it went down, he’s definitely received a fair chunk of change tho


I thought all the extra spending was down to the increase in pie sales 😏


More like an increase in the sale of tenner bags 🥸 I mean does anyone actually buy the excuse the guy who was at Kelty gave for taking his money to raith?

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23. Author:  NMCmassive        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 13:14

Don’t forget about the fans refurbishing stands for free

COYP

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24. Author:  red-star-par        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 14:01

Aye, did Raith`s figures not show an extra £600k in the coffers in the first half of last season due to hospitality, when the only change I could see is what looks like a wee Portacabin being put on the touchline. Some creative accounting going on

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25. Author:  parathletic        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 14:05

Their revenue increased by £600k-£100k of that was hospitality.



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26. Author:  jake89        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 14:54

parathletic, Wed 20 Nov 14:05

Their revenue increased by £600k-£100k of that was hospitality.


Assuming profit of, say, £30 per person in hospitality, that would mean they had 185 extra people PER MATCH in their hospitality. The combined capacity of their hospitality spaces is less than half that 😂

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27. Author:  McCaig`s Tower        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 15:05

Revenue and profit are different things



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28. Author:  parathletic        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:08

Topic Originator: jake89 like
Date: Wed 20 Nov 14:54

Quote:

parathletic, Wed 20 Nov 14:05

Their revenue increased by £600k-£100k of that was hospitality.


Assuming profit of, say, £30 per person in hospitality, that would mean they had 185 extra people PER MATCH in their hospitality. The combined capacity of their hospitality spaces is less than half that 😂

I think it was just under double their previous figure.Falkirk increased theirs by 69% between 2022 and 2023 so it is doable. It will be interesting to see Raiths figures for this season since they have been struggling on the park though.

Post Edited (Wed 20 Nov 16:26)

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29. Author:  Playup_Pompey        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:18

issue Dumbarton (as with Most clubs have) is they have a stadium that has running costs 365 days and income on 18 days. Minumal usage on non matchdays so reliant on bums on seats at games and big hospitality sales etc to boost numbers.



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30. Author:  wee eck        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:30

The BBC article parsmad68 referenced at 08:56 suggests a main contributory factor is a reduction in sponsorship and support from local businesses which are feeling the pinch themselves. Clubs can`t survive solely on ticket sales and income generated from fans. There also seems to be a problem with the inflation of players` wages. League 1 in particular was mentioned.



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31. Author:  jake89        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:36

The issue is there needs to be massive changes in Scottish football to support these clubs but it won`t happen under the current leadership who appear happy to undersell the leagues and act only in the interests of two clubs.

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32. Author:  Playup_Pompey        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:41

"The BBC article parsmad68 referenced at 08:56 suggests a main contributory factor is a reduction in sponsorship and support from local businesses which are feeling the pinch themselves. Clubs can`t survive solely on ticket sales and income generated from fans. There also seems to be a problem with the inflation of players` wages. League 1 in particular was mentioned."

Statement from JJR PRINT LTD

DUMBARTON F.C.
Statement from Stewart Byron,
Managing Director of JJR Print Ltd
"We are saddened to learn the news today that the Board of Directors of Dumbarton FC have taken the tough decision to appoint administrators. Although we are not surprised at this it is still a worrying time ahead for the employees, fans and players of our club.
We were proud and excited to be able to contribute to the club this year with the home kit sponsorship. An opportunity for our small company to contribute and give something back. Although we have yet to be contacted by anyone at the club. We hope to be able to continue our support and will work with the administrators in any way we can. Our hope is that they will find the best path out of this situation, and ultimately the future survival of Dumbarton FC.
We have been supplying the clubs printing free this year, alongside the shirt sponsorship. We would urge other local companies to offer assistance where they can, whether it is financial or by way of services. I imagine any help will be gratefully received.
We will also be contacting the Sons Supporters Trust to offer a donation for them to use towards bus costs or perhaps a fighting fund for the club."
#sonsoftherock #savethesons #jjrprint #dumbartonfc

doesnt sound like club reached out to sponsors to see if could re-neogotiate sponsorships etc.



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33. Author:  pars4life1        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 16:43

The club haven`t been doing much. They are owned by a conman you wanted to build houses on the ground. This isn`t a case of a club struggling with modern pressures, this is the age old problem of when dodgy people get involved in football



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34. Author:  Kba990309        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 17:30

Money needs to be washed somehow💰💵😲

Keith allan

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35. Author:  veteraneastender        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 20:46

"The issue is there needs to be massive changes in Scottish football to support these clubs but it won`t happen under the current leadership who appear happy to undersell the leagues and act only in the interests of two clubs."

What changes would you suggest ?



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36. Author:  Fethiyespar        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 20:58

veteraneastender, Wed 20 Nov 20:46

"The issue is there needs to be massive changes in Scottish football to support these clubs but it won`t happen under the current leadership who appear happy to undersell the leagues and act only in the interests of two clubs."

What changes would you suggest ?


Sky Sports have a stranglehold on Scottish Football showing only the OF fixtures. The SFA and the SPFL care only about these two clubs so nothing will change. Would love to see them leave Scottish Football but unfortunately that is never going to happen.

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37. Author:  NMCmassive        
Date: Wed 20th Nov 2024. 21:51

Fethiyespar, Wed 20 Nov 20:58

veteraneastender, Wed 20 Nov 20:46

"The issue is there needs to be massive changes in Scottish football to support these clubs but it won`t happen under the current leadership who appear happy to undersell the leagues and act only in the interests of two clubs."

What changes would you suggest ?


Sky Sports have a stranglehold on Scottish Football showing only the OF fixtures. The SFA and the SPFL care only about these two clubs so nothing will change. Would love to see them leave Scottish Football but unfortunately that is never going to happen.


It’s a matter of time…

EPL tv deal is dwarfing money in the other leagues. The big Euro clubs will band together at some point I’m sure but they’d need more than 10/12 clubs for legitimacy. The ugly sisters of Scottish football are almost certainly big enough to add to that and I’m sure they’d benefit financially from it

COYP

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