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| 21. Author: Kdy Par Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 09:37 Does that mean if Jefferson had been played clean through, with the goalie missing the ball, only touching the ball to tap it in after the goalie has missed it. He’d be offside? Reply |
| 22. Author: veteraneastender Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 09:48 Have a look at the club highlights - freeze at 8:13 - Ross Stewart is prostrate behind the goal line as KRH prods the ball forward for Caceras on the goal line to touch it in. As Wee Eck says, if Stewart is still deemed actively in play then he and the other QotS defender on the goal line render Caceras onside. The situation of the keeper is the key aspect. Reply |
| 23. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:00 I don`t expect we`ll hear how the the conversation went between the ref and the assistant. At the time I thought the AR was on his way back to the half-way line, which usually indicates he saw no infringement, until the ref intervened and went to speak to him. Presumably the ref convinced the AR that Caceres was offside and he then raised his flag, rather belatedly! Refs usually accept that ARs are in a better position to judge offside and accept their decisions. Luckily the decision had no effect on the result. Reply |
| 24. Author: Raymie the Legend Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:11 veteraneastender, Mon 1 Dec 09:48 VEE. The defender is slightly ahead of Caceres, therefore only the goalie is behind him and therefore he is offside. You need two players to be playing you onside. Normally, one of them is the goalie. Absolutely stupid decision to slam it in on the goal line as the ball was going in. Luckily, it never cost us.  It`s bloody tough being a legend Ron Atkinson - 1983 Reply |
| 25. Author: parsmad68 Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:14 At the time I thought it was a bit silly for Caceres to play the ball, but I have just watched the highlights. Looks onside to me when the header was played. A goalkeeper inside his goal is still on the field of play. A ball must cross the line entirely for a goal to be given, therefore a goalkeeper is still in play even when behind his own goal line. A tad unfortunate in my opinion for it to be chopped off. The defender at the right back position plays Caceres from what I can see and he sheepishly didn’t complain at all. Reply |
| 26. Author: Raymie the Legend Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:17 Caceres’ left foot was on the line when KRH poked it forward. Offside It`s bloody tough being a legend Ron Atkinson - 1983 Reply |
| 27. Author: kelty_par Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:25 Cáceres was on the line, but so was the Queens defender. And the goalkeeper was mostly in his net but his foot was on the line even if the officials didn`t know he was still active behind his line. So probably should have stood. But Cáceres should have just left it anyway. I get that he is desperate to score his first goal and there was an element of instinct involved but Ritchie-Hosler also could do with a goal, and he appeared quite angry Jefferson had nicked it off him. Reply |
| 28. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:29 The AR was in a better position than the ref or any punter to judge Caceres` position relative to the defenders and yet his decision appears to have been overruled by the ref! Reply |
| 29. Author: doctordandruff Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:35 I thought you can only leave the pitch with the refs permission. Otherwise you are deemed on it at the point you crossed the line? Stops the situation where a full back can just step of the sideline to make folk offside Post Edited (Mon 01 Dec 10:37) Reply |
| 30. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 10:50 I don`t think anyone`s disputing that, dd. It`s the position of the defender outside the left-hand post that`s crucial. Reply |
| 31. Author: king lad Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 11:13 It`s very tight and could be argued either way, I think if you freeze frame it when the ball is played to Càceres the defender is pretty much on the bye line which should play him onside with the goalkeeper also being behind the line. Ultimately Càceres should`ve just let the ball roll in, but probably pretty desperate to get on the score sheet as well and maybe not aware if someone was near him to clear the ball away. Reminds me a little bit of the Nani incident with Portugal against Spain where Ronaldo chipped Casillas for what would`ve been a fantastic goal and Nani headed it right on the goal line whilst he was offside. Reply |
| 32. Author: veteraneastender Date: Mon 1st Dec 2025. 12:47 Offside Calculation: A defender off the field, even by momentum, is counted as one of the required opponents for offside, effectively maintaining the defensive line. That`s from a Google search. "Does that mean if Jefferson had been played clean through, with the goalie missing the ball, only touching the ball to tap it in after the goalie has missed it. He’d be offside?" If he were onside when the ball is played forward - no offside. Reply |
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