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| 21. Author: jake89 Date: Mon 27th Jan 2025. 23:37 The issue with any punishment is it`s more about the person rather than the crime. Jail time is a deterrent to many but not to everyone. The problem with the knee who don`t care is there isn`t much in the way of alternatives. Even death likely isn`t much of a deterrent. Reply |
| 22. Author: parsmad68 Date: Tue 28th Jan 2025. 14:51 jake89, Mon 27 Jan 23:37 Useful for the reoffending rates though. 🤠My wife looked at me at the weekend as I said the same thing but about the knife attacker who attacked the kids at the Taylor Swift dance group. Why do we have to support these guys jail time for the rest of his life. No point. Just get rid. She says I am starting to sound like an old fart. Reply |
| 23. Author: Buspasspar Date: Tue 28th Jan 2025. 17:19 Raymie is spot on .. mutants they even look like mutants The sad thing is these young vulnerable kids returned to the beastie house as they had nowhere else to go The trial heard that the children first came into contact with social work in Glasgow in August 2017 and were deemed to be at risk in July 2018. But the allegations of violence and sexual abuse did not come to light until March 2020. Yet another huge failure by the services who were supposed to protect the poor souls https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o We are forever shaped by the Children we once were Reply |
| 24. Author: Wotsit Date: Tue 28th Jan 2025. 22:46 I think that folk are misunderstanding the motives of the people who commit these crimes. These aren`t people who consider the repercussions of their actions. The potential punishment is not part of their thinking when they do what they do, they think that they won`t be caught so the punishment is irrelevant. There are certain crimes where there`s no point in society using punishment as a deterrent because folk who want to commit those crimes will just do it whatever society says. The consequences of that are that we risk having revenge or virtue signalling as a social norm. The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy. Reply |
| 25. Author: DBP Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 06:48 I suppose if the death penalty was a deterrent, then when it was policy, we either would never have hung anyone or only done it once (to show we will do it) and those crimes punishable by death would have instantly stopped. what the death penalty does is answer is society’s need to explicitly say that the worst crimes are not tolerated and will be punished appropriately. It draws a line under the worst case so we don’t read about them being eligible for parole in 25 years time or that they’ve been attacked or have cancer or whatever. It spares society of the cost of support and maintenance of the worst offenders (don’t care what anyone says, a bit of rope or bullet is cheaper than a lifetime of guarding and feeding. So for me it’s not a deterrent, but fully understand that society wants to address the balance. Post Edited (Wed 29 Jan 06:49) Reply |
| 26. Author: Wotsit Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 07:57 You can do that by locking people away. Then, when you inevitably get it wrong you can simply open the door and apologise. Less easy to say sorry to someone you killed. The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy. Reply |
| 27. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 09:22 Why don’t we just make prisons an unlikeable place to be and then give proper sentences for serious offenders? UK prisons - Sky TV, games consoles, pool tables, decent cells, dreadful sentencing rules. US prisons - no TV, no games consoles, awful cells, very strict sentencing rules. Look at the differences between Louis Theroux documentaires on prisons and the ones done on Bellmarsh and Barlinnie. Massive differences. Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem? Reply |
| 28. Author: Playup_Pompey Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 11:19 "Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?" judges themselves are restricted in sentences they can deliver for crimes.  Reply |
| 29. Author: buffy Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 11:36 Which category of prison are you describing in your post, Dave? There are four categories in England and three in Scotland. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply |
| 30. Author: Wotsit Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 13:20 Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22 By using the US as an example you have negated your own argument though. It`s hardly a crime free utopia. The nations we want to emulate, the ones with the lowest recidivism rates, are places like Norway which has gone the opposite route and has made prison a place where people have their liberty removed but that`s basically the only punishment with the focus being placed firmly on rehabilitation and reform. It basically depends on what you want to achieve. The US system is fine if you want to enact revenge on behalf of society for wrongs done against it and the Norwegian system is great if your priority is to reduce reoffending. The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy. Reply |
| 31. Author: NMCmassive Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 22:05 Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22 Honestly, I wouldn’t be highlighting the US prison system as successful. It’s just a money making scheme that has a major lobbying group to keep prisons both private and full. The facilities are known to be inadequate and the inmates are sometimes forced into work. Which the local/state governments and politicians make a lot of money from. Including the Clintons I believe 🤔 off the top of my head so I could be wrong. IMHO the majority of prisons should be more about removing people from society to give them a chance to rehabilitate and become productive members of society. I’ve got to say though, not all crimes are equal. Not all prison need to be about rehabilitation COYP Reply |
| 32. Author: veteraneastender Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 22:41 "By using the US as an example you have negated your own argument though. It`s hardly a crime free utopia." The USA is hardly comparable with other countries, in fact you can`t compare individual states against others. Many don`t have the death penalty, although the majority still do. Michigan, for example, was the first legal jurisdiction in the English speaking world to abolish capital punishment in 1847. Reply |
| 33. Author: Andrew283 Date: Wed 29th Jan 2025. 22:53 The Death penalty is a barbaric practice that rightfully was binned. Post Edited (Wed 29 Jan 22:53) Reply |
| 34. Author: DAftbugger Date: Thu 30th Jan 2025. 12:23 Emotional Response - It would need to be a very high bar to warrant the death penalty, cases like this where the behavior and suffering is so appalling, they effectively removed the victims human rights and by my logic therefore concede their own, I`d be happy to see these people permanently removed from the gene pool. Financial Response - 2022/23 Year it cost on average ÂŁ52,0000 a year to keep someone in jail, presumably more if they also require protection or isolation. I would say there are far better uses for the 52k per person per year than keeping some of these people fed, watered and sheltered. For example victim support, NHS, tax cuts, education, community projects, the arts, pothole repairs in fact i`d accept nearly any other use for the money. Sure no system is fool proof but its not like there are that many mis-carriages of justice when it comes to the worst of the worst crimes. Reply |
| 35. Author: PARrot Date: Thu 30th Jan 2025. 23:48 Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22 Have you ever been in prison. I`m going to visit someone next week if you want to tag along and ask some opinions in the visiting room.  Reply |
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