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| 1. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 13:20 In just over 20 years, the number of children in Scotland who have been identified as having Additional Support Needs has risen nine fold. What are the reasons behind this disturbing phenomenon? https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-ministers-urged-to-launch-probe-into-huge-rise-in-pupils-with-asn-5423519  Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 2. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 13:38 If you know the answer to that then I know ministers who will pay you handsomely! One of the biggest factors is better identification but also the expansion of what is considered ASN. We all remember kids at school who in hindsight probably had ASN. I work with someone who is 100% dyslexic but we`re told in school 30 years ago they weren`t. They`re not an isolated case. Reply |
| 3. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 14:14 800% increase surely must be significantly down to the diagnosis pathway. I honestly don`t think shoving too many labels on too many people is helpful at all. I agree that there were clearly kids at school who struggled. And the education system as was didn`t help them. But most of those kids got on with life and learned technical skills that served them well. I`m not sure both parents heading off to work so quickly, and with reduced attention as they develop, is helpful for kids development either if I`m honest. Reply |
| 4. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 16:13 Claiming kids have ASN/ADHD is a sure way of getting PIP/ADP from the welfare system. Reply |
| 5. Author: red-star-par Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 16:34 LochgellyAlbert, Tue 9 Dec 16:13 Apparently, in England and Wales, the figure for Child Disability Living Allowance doubled in the 10 years up to 2023, when about 680,000 Children received the benefit, about 6% It`s reckoned about 80% of those claims are for Autism/ ADHD type conditions, so around half a million kids, and forecast to increase to around 1,000,000 claiming by the end of this decade That`s unsustainable Reply |
| 6. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 17:17 LochgellyAlbert, Tue 9 Dec 16:13 This is said a lot but is it genuine? One of my friends son has fairly significant additional support needs and they get nothing. Reply |
| 7. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 17:59 When I looked at the claim process (out of interest rather than claiming) it did look quite hard to get enough points. I`m not sure how they are arranged and paid for but there are quite a few taxis in the morning to drop kids off at my local primary school. I am sure there`s a lot of inefficiencies in the system. Reply |
| 8. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 18:12 Do the parents not drop the kids off in their `Motability Mercs`?!!! Reply |
| 9. Author: P Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 18:18 Maybe controversial but learning through play for foundation block learning is utter tripe and I have no doubt that my own primary school kid would do better through learning by rote supported by learning through play. Reply |
| 10. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 18:23 wee eck, Tue 9 Dec 18:12 I think some of the more common ones do, those that are even smarter at playing the system have managed to get a driver included in the package too. Reply |
| 11. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 18:59 P, Tue 9 Dec 18:18 Completely agree. While the concept makes sense, I`m yet to see any benefit from curriculum for excellence. I`m also yet to see someone with an ASN child getting a free Mercedes 😂 Reply |
| 12. Author: red-star-par Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 19:22 Actually just spotted there is a new article on the BBC stating that figures released today show that 43% of school children has ASN. "The latest annual figures, external show the total number of children in Scotland with ASN now stands at 299,445. Officials caution that a change in recording methods over the years and greater awareness of pupils` needs may have amplified the figures. The most common single reason listed was "social, emotional or behavioural difficulty". More than 77,400 children fell into this category with boys representing about two thirds of the total. Various forms of learning difficulty or disability including dyslexia accounted for about 112,000 of the overall figure. Autistic spectrum disorder affected more than 41,000 pupils while nearly 32,000 children were experiencing "family issues". Having English as a second language was also a major listing, affecting more than 61,000 children. Some children with ASN will be listed in more than one category." Reply |
| 13. Author: Raymie the Legend Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 19:42 wee eck, Tue 9 Dec 18:12 The council pays to get their kids picked up and dropped off, in many cases.  It`s bloody tough being a legend Ron Atkinson - 1983 Post Edited (Tue 09 Dec 19:44) Reply |
| 14. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 20:24 LochgellyAlbert, Tue 9 Dec 16:13 How do I claim this? 🤔😂 a near 5 year old that has every sign of ADHD constantly has to be worth a few extra grand a year? Reply |
| 15. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 20:54 Dave_1885, Tue 9 Dec 20:24 The clue is in the name ADULT disability payment. Can`t be aimed for a 5 year old 😂 Reply |
| 16. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 21:03 Probably its two fold: - Diagnosis is improving, meaning these conditions are more easily identifiable - Kids mushing their brains with things like Instagram Reels, which I believe now studies have shown contribute so such conditions. Generally speaking, there is also an obsession in Scotland and the wider UK with written tests, which just don`t work for everybody. Verbal and practical assessments should play a significant role in the classroom, but they just don`t. My two cents would be that Scottish Education has a tendency to fire kids through the system rush kids out into work. I studied Chemistry to Masters level in Aberdeen and then Heidelberg and graduated at 22. When I switched over to Physics and started studying in Sweden at 23, I was meeting people my age who had taken a few years to work and travel and then started their studies at the same time as I was switching fields. Disclaimer, High School in Sweden tends to finish at 19, but still... While I could never fault the quality of the education I was given in Aberdeen or Germany, I think there is something to be said for the rigidity of a system having an effect on the students. In Sweden, after meeting a Japanese girl, I was able to take Japanese language courses by distance through Stockholm University while studying Physics on-site at Lund. The Universities all used the same credit point system so, theoretically, if I were to go back I could take my Japanese language credits from Stockholm and put them towards an Asian Studies Bachelor or Master in Lund. Conversely, I remember talking to pals at Glasgow who had a completely different Credit system than what we had at Aberdeen. Just wee things like this that make me wonder about our education system and those running it. Fundamentally though, I think we need to look at the provision of Education and how it can be improved as opposed to simply being traditionalist. Reply |
| 17. Author: GG Riva Date: Wed 10th Dec 2025. 11:17 LochgellyAlbert, Tue 9 Dec 16:13 AI Overview A child with ADHD may be eligible for a Disability Living Allowance (DLA), which can provide between £29.20 and £187.45 per week depending on the level of help they need. The DLA is made up of a care component and a mobility component, and the weekly amount depends on the severity of the child`s symptoms and their impact on daily activities and mobility. Eta. I've heard anecdotal stories about parents aggressively demanding that their child be registered as having ASN/ADHD so they can be eligible for the DLA. No doubt there may be some parents who are unscrupulous enough to make false claims, but there's no way of knowing how rife the practice is. Not your average Sunday League player. Post Edited (Wed 10 Dec 11:23) Reply |
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