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Topic: Measles outbreak.
1. Author: twin par Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 00:56 Massive outbreak of measles in some parts of England.People are wary of taking the vaccine to prevent this. I presume they are worried about the side effects.I don’t see the same out cry,about the side effects of the weight loss jags,and people are buying it without question. Small pox,and whooping cough,have all been almost irradicated,because of vaccines,so why are people avoiding preventative measures? Reply
2. Author: 87Par Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 01:18 twin par, Tue 17 Feb 00:56 Massive outbreak of measles in some parts of England.People are wary of taking the vaccine to prevent this. I presume they are worried about the side effects.I don’t see the same out cry,about the side effects of the weight loss jags,and people are buying it without question. Small pox,and whooping cough,have all been almost irradicated,because of vaccines,so why are people avoiding preventative measures? Don`t need to be a genius to know why there is an outbreak down in England. Nothing to do with vaccines. Reply
3. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 07:43 Why do you think there`s an outbreak, 87par? Reply
4. Author: buffy Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 09:47 Fairly sure it’s because people aren’t taking up the vaccines offered as referred to in the OP. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
5. Author: PARrot Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 10:31 Conspiracy theory anti vax nonsense. This was always going to happen. Somehow they will find a way to blame the cabal. Reply
6. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 10:35 buffy, Tue 17 Feb 09:47 Fairly sure it’s because people aren’t taking up the vaccines offered as referred to in the OP. Not sure that`s where they were going tbh. If they were trying to make the point by I think they were, Enfield isn`t the part of London to use 😂 Reply
7. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 10:59 The vaccination rate for the impacted areas is around 65%. Around 95% is required for good immunity. That might be a key issue..... Reply
8. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 11:08 Im glad I’ve kept my daughter’s vaccines up to date. Would never forgive myself if she caught one of these diseases and came off badly when the vaccines used have been tried and tested for decades. Some people do suffer side effects from them, it’s the chance you take, but you take a bigger risk crossing the road, getting behind the wheel or getting in a plane. No doubt Labour will get the blame for it when it turns political as well. Reply
9. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 11:31 40% of the Enfield population are foreign born. Many of the countries of origin have lower vaccine rates than the UK. Add into the mixture language barriers and lack of engagement with authorities of immigrants compared to the native population and the the reason for this outbreak is in fact due to both the reasons being discussed...or not on this thread. I imagine there have been various attempts and initiatives to increase the vaccine rates amongst children and adults who`s vaccination window was not in the UK. I wish the young people and adults suffering a speedy recovery, measles can be nasty. Reply
10. Author: parsmad68 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 11:33 Dave_1885, Tue 17 Feb 11:08 Im glad I’ve kept my daughter’s vaccines up to date. Would never forgive myself if she caught one of these diseases and came off badly when the vaccines used have been tried and tested for decades. Some people do suffer side effects from them, it’s the chance you take, but you take a bigger risk crossing the road, getting behind the wheel or getting in a plane. No doubt Labour will get the blame for it when it turns political as well. Agree Dave, it is nervous when you agree for kids to get the jab, but that is mainly what it is. A fear of what may happen, but the converse is definitely true as measles WILL happen again and again. When measles comes around you definitely want your kids inoculated. Reply
11. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 12:13 Bletchley_Par, Tue 17 Feb 11:31 40% of the Enfield population are foreign born. Many of the countries of origin have lower vaccine rates than the UK. Add into the mixture language barriers and lack of engagement with authorities of immigrants compared to the native population and the the reason for this outbreak is in fact due to both the reasons being discussed...or not on this thread. I imagine there have been various attempts and initiatives to increase the vaccine rates amongst children and adults who`s vaccination window was not in the UK. I wish the young people and adults suffering a speedy recovery, measles can be nasty. The vast majority of those foreign born were from mainland Europe where measles imms are similar to here and, as has been discussed on another thread, the probably speak better English than some of us! Immigration will be a factor but a more significant one will be the association of the MMR with autism and other unhelpful "studies". Reply
12. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 13:07 Certainly is a bit weird how some areas are suffering so much from lack of vaccination. Bit nuts if there hasn`t been a factor driven using education establishments. Reply
13. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 14:27 Topic Originator: jake89 like Date: Tue 17 Feb 12:13 Quote: The vast majority of those foreign born were from mainland Europe where measles imms are similar to here and, as has been discussed on another thread, the probably speak better English than some of us! Immigration will be a factor but a more significant one will be the association of the MMR with autism and other unhelpful "studies". Enfield has one of the highest Romanian and Bulgarian immigrant population, with low vaccine rates (60% - 80%) in comparison to other nations and the WHO`s 95% target. Roma people are largely disengaged from even the Bulgarian authorities so I imagine the rates of vaccination will be even lower in those populations. I`m struggling to think of anything that would make the people of Enfield more vaccine skeptical due to MMR fear compared to other populations, that should be uniform over all of the population. Post Edited (Tue 17 Feb 14:29) Reply
14. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 15:51 Romanians make up 1.4% of Enfield`s population, Bulgarians 1.6% and Roma 0.3%. It could well be cultural though as it`s a fairly diverse place, but so are other areas that all have higher uptake than Enfield. Reply
15. Author: Wotsit Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 15:52 Great, the same conspiracy-focused right wing nutjobs who were angrily (and wrongly) undermining the concept of vaccination a few years ago are now blaming foreigners when an easily prevented disease runs rampant in a community. It wasn`t foreigners who were refusing vaccinations, it was paranoid invermectin and raw meat scoffing right wing weirdo hippy-dippy types who swore blind that MMR would give their kids autism. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Reply
16. Author: PARrot Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 15:55 I had measles when I was about 4 Yr old. I remember my mum noticing and getting upset, but I don`t remember being ill. Reply
17. Author: Wotsit Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 16:28 I remember a girl in my primary school died from measles, it really scared the rest of us because we didn`t realise how dangerous measles was, and we knew that we were all going to get it. It was like a mild-ish flu for me when I did get it. Chickenpox was much worse, I was sick for weeks with that and still have a few scars from it over 40 years later. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Reply
18. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 16:36 The concerns around MMR aren`t new. And I don`t think it is entirely unreasonable for parents to worry about what is going into their kids! Reply
19. Author: buffy Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 16:40 Of course it’s not unreasonable, but there are always side effects with medicines because we are all different. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
20. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 17th Feb 2026. 16:48 ipswichpar, Tue 17 Feb 16:36 The concerns around MMR aren`t new. And I don`t think it is entirely unreasonable for parents to worry about what is going into their kids! Are there any reliable statistics out there that show the % of side effects caused by the MMR jags and the types of side effects? When the wee one was still “brewing” I had one guy at my work sending me videos of this, that and the next thing and telling me never to take jags etc for her. Conspiracy theorists are out there and fear the numbers are increasing. Add to that how easily they could create misinformation with AI and it will soon be a minefield. Although, maybe its the MMR thats caused her to have ADHD 🤔😂 Reply

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