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Topic: The stamp fairy
1. Author:  Parboiled        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 12:28

No, not Patrick Harvie having a strop…it’s the mastermind behind the pochling of stamps intended for parliamentary business to send out electioneering leaflets etc.
Swinney grilled about it this morning. Looked like he had swallowed his toothbrush.
Stealing members donations, iPad expenses fiddle, now this …tut tut.



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2. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 12:38

Hmmm it could be nothing at all and the parliamentary investigation will decide one way or another. However if they find that public money has been used in an inappropriate manner to bolster SNP electioneering then Swinney will be in a bit of bother after assuring us it didn`t happen despite WhatsApp messages from his own office being more than a little bit incriminating.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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3. Author:  wee eck        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 13:12

I thought the SNP had a policy of destroying WhatsApp messages - or was that a different story?

It`s embarrassing that the most powerful devolved government in the world has a scandal about the possible fiddling of stamps while its Westminster masters were betting on the date of an election of their choosing.



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4. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 13:39

It is embarrassing that the party in control of the most powerful devolved government in the world had to fiddle a few thousand pounds worth of stamps from the public kitty to fund their election campaign. Allegedly at this stage of course.



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5. Author:  wee eck        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 13:49

`The Gambling Commission is investigating “many” other individuals who bet on the July election, ITV News’ political editor, Robert Peston, said.

The Gambling Commission has informed Nick Mason, the Tories’ chief data officer, that he is part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the election, the Sunday Times reported. The Conservative party confirmed that Mason had taken a leave of absence.

Mason is the fourth confirmed Conservative figure to be facing an investigation in a growing gambling scandal that has engulfed the party during the election campaign.`


This is far more serious in my book- politicians taking advantage of privileged information to further their own financial interests. Why does the Conservative Party in particular attract so many of these self-seeking chancers?



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6. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 14:12

If someone started a thread about that greedy, corrupt behaviour I would comment further and even more negatively than I just had. However this is a thread about potentially public funds being inappropriately used by a political party to help them secure positions of power. Now Wee Eck can you comment on that without referring to scandalous behaviour by others?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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7. Author:  wee eck        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 14:35

If you check the `General Election` thread you`ll find I was first to draw attention to the stamp scandal. For some reason Parboiled decided to start a separate thread.

Of course I don`t condone the possible misuse of public funds but I think it`s fairly insignificant compared to recent scandals. I`m always amazed at the lack of judgement shown by those implicated in these affairs which raises questions about their suitability for public life.

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8. Author:  LochgellyAlbert        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 15:18

Perhaps using up the "old" stamps before the new barcode ones came in?🤔😲🤭

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9. Author:  McCaig`s Tower        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 15:38

To what extent is the information “privileged”? It seems like potentially a grey area.

The gambling industry thrives on punters trying to “get an edge” over the bookmaker – be it studying form or inside tips from the stable.

To make up an example – suppose you knew (but the bookies didn’t) that a team’s first choice goalkeeper was injured and that an untried kid would be between the sticks on match day – you’d have an edge and might be tempted to have a punt on the opposition.

It seems to depend on how you acquired this information, or whether it was “in the public domain”. The keeper telling you would seem to be insider trading, but suppose you saw him in a stookie, or saw the third choice turning up at the ground with his kit-bag, or heard that his folks were planning on attending the game when they normally didn’t? Where do you draw the line?

Clearly the campaign manager for the Conservative Party would be expected to be told the date in advance, but what of others putting two and two together? Rumours were abounding at Westminster and I’m sure loads of people would have had a punt on the election date when they heard there was to be a prime ministerial announcement that day. No doubt the bookies will have been monitoring activity and have checked their records to see who seemed to have known extra early.

What is interesting is Sunak’s attitude to suspending some people (but not others) and promising to boot people out of the party (when he seems happy to tolerate more egregious behaviour, although this would seem consistent with the actions of a man who has consistently got his thumb on the pulse of public opinion and seems pretty woeful at the art of politics.

On stamp gate, the evidence as presented by the Times (was it?) seems pretty damning – if you are asking if you are going to get caught suggests there may be doubt about the legality or morality of the proposed course of action which would rule out ignorance as an excuse. Swinney’s comments seem in marked contrast to being unable to comment on ongoing investigations, and to suspending party members pending an inquiry.

(It was reported that the messages were subject to some auto-deletion function – which is certainly consistent with the SNP’s attitude to transparency and record keeping.)



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10. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 15:58

McCaig`s Tower, Sun 23 Jun 15:38

To what extent is the information “privileged”? It seems like potentially a grey area.

The gambling industry thrives on punters trying to “get an edge” over the bookmaker – be it studying form or inside tips from the stable.

To make up an example – suppose you knew (but the bookies didn’t) that a team’s first choice goalkeeper was injured and that an untried kid would be between the sticks on match day – you’d have an edge and might be tempted to have a punt on the opposition.

It seems to depend on how you acquired this information, or whether it was “in the public domain”. The keeper telling you would seem to be insider trading, but suppose you saw him in a stookie, or saw the third choice turning up at the ground with his kit-bag, or heard that his folks were planning on attending the game when they normally didn’t? Where do you draw the line?

Clearly the campaign manager for the Conservative Party would be expected to be told the date in advance, but what of others putting two and two together? Rumours were abounding at Westminster and I’m sure loads of people would have had a punt on the election date when they heard there was to be a prime ministerial announcement that day. No doubt the bookies will have been monitoring activity and have checked their records to see who seemed to have known extra early.

What is interesting is Sunak’s attitude to suspending some people (but not others) and promising to boot people out of the party (when he seems happy to tolerate more egregious behaviour, although this would seem consistent with the actions of a man who has consistently got his thumb on the pulse of public opinion and seems pretty woeful at the art of politics.

On stamp gate, the evidence as presented by the Times (was it?) seems pretty damning – if you are asking if you are going to get caught suggests there may be doubt about the legality or morality of the proposed course of action which would rule out ignorance as an excuse. Swinney’s comments seem in marked contrast to being unable to comment on ongoing investigations, and to suspending party members pending an inquiry.

(It was reported that the messages were subject to some auto-deletion function – which is certainly consistent with the SNP’s attitude to transparency and record keeping.)


Mind when that guy ate a pie on tv so many others could win a bet? Well this is the same. They knew the date in advance and then bet on it and informed others…..to question if thats privilege or not is worrying, as of course it is. Its the betting equivalent of insider trading.

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11. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 16:13

Aye MT you are stretching a bit with the mental gymnastics there. Suggesting the SNP are caught bang to rights but that the Tories shenanigans are in something of a grey area. C`mon now eh!.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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12. Author:  McCaig`s Tower        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 17:05

TOWK/Dave - perhaps you are privy to information I haven`t seen, but I don`t know who knew what and when with regard to placing the bets.

Are you saying that everything is black and white?

At what point does the information become unprivileged? And is connected information similarly privileged?

I believe the stock-market rules talk about "unpublished price-sensitive information" - couldn`t that be just about anything? It seems like a grey area to me, yet directors and employees are permitted to deal in shares of the companies they direct or work for.



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13. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 17:30

Just out of interest what is the more egregious behaviour that you think Sunak is tolerating?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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14. Author:  LochgellyAlbert        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 17:39

Tories never bothered about the money that Sunak made on the financial crash, nor what Crispin Odey made on the back of Brexit!

See a pattern here?🤔😲💰💰💰💰

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15. Author:  McCaig`s Tower        
Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 23:12

Just out of interest what is the more egregious behaviour that you think Sunak is tolerating?

I was thinking of Frank Hester and his donation; also Baroness Mone and her dodgy PPE contracts - he was a bit slow to act there - and Boris Johnson.



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16. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Mon 24th Jun 2024. 00:24

McCaig`s Tower, Sun 23 Jun 17:05

TOWK/Dave - perhaps you are privy to information I haven`t seen, but I don`t know who knew what and when with regard to placing the bets.

Are you saying that everything is black and white?

At what point does the information become unprivileged? And is connected information similarly privileged?

I believe the stock-market rules talk about "unpublished price-sensitive information" - couldn`t that be just about anything? It seems like a grey area to me, yet directors and employees are permitted to deal in shares of the companies they direct or work for.


Its privileged information if you know or can influence the outcome prior to it happening I would say.

Its like spot betting in sport…..telling people to bet on specific outcomes then influencing the outcome yourself is very black and white - its fixing a bet in your favour.

And if they are found guilty of this, they should 100% have the book thrown at them. But they wont because they live the high life.

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17. Author:  jake89        
Date: Mon 24th Jun 2024. 07:18

Using some stamps = Disgrace
Breaching parliamentary code and law = easy mistake to make.

Cool. Got it.

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18. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Mon 24th Jun 2024. 08:43

`Using some stamps` is doing a lot of heavy lifting there isn`t it? It was thousands of pounds worth of stamps allegedly and isn`t it also a breach of parliamentary code?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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19. Author:  Parboiled        
Date: Mon 24th Jun 2024. 08:51

Usual pathetic whitabootery ….

Unless things have changed since my time in public service where it was clearly spelled out and regularly promulgated, misuse or attempted misuse, of public money for expense claims, misuse of property, any fiddles at all would be treated as as a betrayal of trust no matter how trivial and would have serious consequences. As a few colleagues would ruefully look back on after losing their job.

It was never about money or the value of what was nicked!



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20. Author:  jake89        
Date: Mon 24th Jun 2024. 11:31

But there`s no evidence the stamps were misappropriated, plus it`s bloody stamps. What we`re seeing in Westminster is blatant fraud and clear breach of the civil service code, not that it appears many people at Westminster have read it!

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