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| 1. Author: Tenruh Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 06:10 Should we give the Unionists a further chance to steal our parliament by giving them our list vote? Could we see a Unionist coalition including the Reform party ? Is it wise to give the SNP both votes ? Or should we vote for another Independence party to keep the Unionists out of the parliament and hold the SNPs feet to the fire ? [url]https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-grand-tour/[/url] Reply |
| 2. Author: DunfyDave Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 09:27 Our voting system is the most complicated and un-democratic system and completely disregards the opinions of the voting public. To purposely demote a firm favourite and put them at a disadvantage in order to promote a more diverse parliament and prevent landslides goes against the grain of "one person = one vote"! DunfyDave Reply |
| 3. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 09:42 Holyrood is strange that some MSP`s who have never won an election reappear and still get paid for doing zilch, other than causing havoc! Reply |
| 4. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 10:41 DunfyDave, Wed 11 Jun 09:27 Not really, it promotes having a more representative parliament than simply whoever gets the most votes, even if it`s a single vote. In theory, it should encourage parties to work together. That`s fine for the 3 main unionist parties as they can find ways to work in a coalition. There`s only 1 main independence party, which is why we`ve had minority governments who can`t get anything voted through because the unionist parties will do anything in their power to obstruct any good being done. The perfect example happened yesterday when the massively watered down Care Reform Bill was finally voted through. It`s not going to deliver the change originally outlined thanks to people like Jackie Baillie. Scotland (and the UK) are MASSIVELY behind countries like France, Germany and Spain in terms of innovation in health and social care. The Scottish Government and NHS have various teams working on improvements but the bureaucracy is incredible. A properly functioning National Care Service could have massively simplified how services are run, resulting in savings and better services for the public. But no, Labour, Lib Dems and Tories went against it at every opportunity. Ironically, Labour are pushing for a National Care Service for England. You couldn`t make it up. Going back to the original post - it doesn`t really matter. You will NEVER get independence in Scotland even with 100% independence parties in power. Reply |
| 5. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 11:01 Just seen drugs deaths are up by 33%, A&E waits up, violent crime up…does anyone seriously believe a National Care Service would be anything other than another total fiasco like everything else these morons get their mitts on? Post Edited (Wed 11 Jun 11:13) Reply |
| 6. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 12:24 It amazes me how we in this part of the UK have managed to survive such incompetence whilst the rest of the UK has been living in a land of milk and honey. It was interesting to hear yesterday that the Hinckley Point nuclear plant, currently under construction in Somerset, which was originally estimated to cost £18bn and to be completed by 2025, is now likely to cost at least twice that amount and won`t be ready until at least 2031! Reply |
| 7. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 13:28 Was interesting to see that the Covid Enquiry confirmed that companies were to prioritise English supplies over other UK countries! Reply |
| 8. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 14:51 Parboiled, Wed 11 Jun 11:01 Drug deaths aren`t up 33% 🙄 A National Care Service would have meant consistent delivery of care that could be targeted in areas with the greatest need. Of course, you wouldn`t care about that... Edited to clarify: Drug deaths REDUCED by 4% in comparison to the same period last year. Even that stat isn't particularly helpful though. Post Edited (Wed 11 Jun 14:55) Reply |
| 9. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 15:54 Drug deaths last three months 33% higher than previous three months…whatever, no doubt the annual stats will be the worst in Europe as usual. Aye Eck, I’m sure the relatives of these victims and the victims of violence will take comfort from the delay of a project in Somerset. Shouldn’t divots like you pair be posting on Gardening Scotland? Reply |
| 10. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 16:00 Parboiled, Wed 11 Jun 15:54 The last 3 months have been 48% warmer than the previous quarter. This is an OUTRAGE. 🙄 Of course, you knew that story was bollocks before you shared a snippet of it. Reply |
| 11. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 16:34 It has been noted in the past that Parboiled doesn`t comment on the performance of the Westminster government. They are beyond criticism. Unfortunately they have a much greater influence on our lives than Holyrood which Unionists claim is a `pretendy` Parliament and a `parish cooncil talking shop`. He could provide regular supplies of an essential ingredient for the Beechgrove Garden though. Reply |
| 12. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 17:32 If the Alba Party hadn’t been so vitriolic towards the SNP, they’d have had much more support from Indy activists. It’s really ironic that their founder Alex Salmond knew consensus was the way forward despite privately seething with his former party. SNP 1 2 worked only once before and that was a freak result really. I would prefer all the Indy parties worked together and form a strategy with Indy in mind rather than party power for the sake of it. Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte  Reply |
| 13. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 19:18 Alba aren`t interested in independence anyway. Too obsessed with trans people. Ash Reagan making a tit of herself just yesterday by asking the justice minister to intervene around how Police Scotland are recording the gender of rapists. Spoiler alert - a woman cannot be charged with rape in Scotland meaning all recorded cases of rape are men. Further spoiler - how people are processed is the responsibility of Police Scotland, not government ministers. Of course, Ash Reagan isn`t an idiot. She knew this and just wanted to stir a pot of hatred. And that she did for the Telegraph (surprise) then ran a headline suggesting Scotland is filled with rapists who are self identifying as women to escape arrest. 🙄 Reply |
| 14. Author: Wotsit Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 20:10 You can`t be charged with rape in Scotland if you don`t have a penis. The definition is to penetrate with a penis, so, obviously, it requires a penis. The law doesn`t specify the gender of the penis owner, referring to them as "a person" So people who identify as women but have a penis can absolutely be charged with rape in Scotland. The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy. Reply |
| 15. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Jun 2025. 21:13 Wotsit, Wed 11 Jun 20:10 True, but you`re also a man if you were born male as per the supreme court decision. Reagan is a nugget. Reply |
| 16. Author: Tenruh Date: Thu 12th Jun 2025. 06:46 jake89, Wed 11 Jun 10:41 Re you`re last paragraph, doesn't help if you keep voting in the Unionists like Dunfermline did last year The unionist supporters vote for the best positioned candidate to beat the SNP both on the constituency and list options but there will be way more choices for the independence voter next year with the list having Independance candidates other than just SNP, the problem uptil now is the SNP are not prepared to work with any of the other independence parties/ individuals standing Therefore, allowing more Unionists into parliament and denying fellow independence supporters more seats on the list. Post Edited (Thu 12 Jun 07:14) Reply |
| 17. Author: Tenruh Date: Thu 12th Jun 2025. 07:21 AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 11 Jun 17:32 The only reason the Alba party were formed was due to the poor performances of the SNP over the previous 7 years. The British security services have done a right one on the Scottish Independence parties/movement since 2015. We all need to pull together now for the cause. Reply |
| 18. Author: Tenruh Date: Thu 12th Jun 2025. 07:26 Just read the comments again and it`s quite obvious how a couple of individuals come in and completely change the narrative of the subject...coincidence? Reply |
| 19. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 12th Jun 2025. 08:35 Tenruh, I`m pretty sure you`ve said it yourself that there`s no route to independence though voting SNP. The same applies to Alba and any party. You need "permission" so there`s little point voting for an independence party unless you think they`re the best party for Scotland. As it stands - and by some miracle - the SNP probably are. If you watch Parliament TV you`ll see just how awful some of our MSPs are. They`re perhaps not quite as bad as the Westminster lot but not far off. Reply |
| 20. Author: Parboiled Date: Thu 12th Jun 2025. 09:23 Check out FMQ’s today…those sitting behind Swinney, some of them are so dim they can barely read out the planted question that has been written for them. As for British Security services involvement, utter piffle. Reply |
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