| Topic: Age verification breech |
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| 21. Author: Andrew283 Date: Wed 15th Oct 2025. 22:30 DBP, Wed 15 Oct 22:20 The common man is so clueless about how much data about them is stored indefinitely Reply |
| 22. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 09:10 Andrew283, Wed 15 Oct 22:30 The common man complains about proposed digital ID cards while happily telling Tesco: Full name Address DOB When they change address When they have a baby When they get a pet When times are tough and they spend less When they have friends coming to stay Changes in their diet When a child moves out When they single When they`re not When they`re having a party A scan of their face every time they use self service When they forget their own bag If they have a mini break in the UK When they go abroad If they then have Tesco insurance linked to their clubcard they obviously reveal even more: Bank details Car they drive How much they drive How safely they drive. Reply |
| 23. Author: DBP Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 13:00 Agreed… The thing is that while lots of separate entities have amassed lots of data on individuals who use their products and services, what governments are actively looking to do i to collate of all of that data in one accessible place for them, and then can let their AI models loose on it. I’m sure initially it will be under the guise of protecting children, stopping illegal workers, better government procurement, targeted spending, etc… but you bring all that data together under digital ids, add face recognition in every cctv, remove privacy from devices (and so on) and then throw the emerging power of AI into the mix… and it’s only a hop skip and a jump to something very scary! Regardless of what personal information people have happily given over in the past under the banner of convenience, I do hope we really think about where all this is going. In data science there’s a concept called big data citizenship, and within that data participation - my worry is people don’t take steps to consider and protect their personal information going forward, regardless of what they’ve done in the past Reply |
| 24. Author: P Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 14:00 Andrew283, Wed 15 Oct 22:30 The breach related to an entirely different piece of software so not the same thing. Microsoft use Azure face recognition technology, the image is used once and is not stored & is automatically deleted when age verification is complete. This is part of their published privacy commitment but if you don’t believe that and (no doubt) have some conspiracy view that’s up to you. However, a scan of my face that can & is regularly already being scanned elsewhere is well within my risk appetite. Discord said the image would be used solely for age verification but did not promise deletion and their language was vague on when they (or rather their vendor 5CA) would delete them. So how is my example the same? With regards to not knowing how much data is held I gave plenty of examples of how our image is captured with zero control whatsoever. As far as common man (if that was aimed at me since it was in reply to the response to me) I have worked in Technology, Data, Security, Resilience and Risk for 25 years so I do have some knowledge in the subject - most certainly enough to assess my own risk appetite from a scan unsupported by documentation 🙄 Reply |
| 25. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 15:15 jake89, Thu 16 Oct 09:10 Starmer has just stated he likes that in other countries you need ot to access your money. Have a wee look at China. No from me, being unbanked or deleted for saying hurty words about the government doesn`t appeal. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 26. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 21:16 There is a flip side to this. How annoying is it that your data is NOT shared. Your GP can see your medical info, but not when you move health board. Your dentist can`t see your allergies or prescriptions and your private physio can`t see what anti-inflammatories you`re on. If you have a social work situation, your kids school have no clue. They don`t know that mum/dad isn`t allowed access to the kids anymore and social work can`t see that little Johnny hasn`t been at school. This situation was why there was a horrific murder in Fife not so long ago. All these professions being expected to talk to each other while their systems don`t. If it was proposed to close the loop there would be an outcry of Big Brother and being monitored. Reply |
| 27. Author: Andrew283 Date: Thu 16th Oct 2025. 22:46 jake89, Thu 16 Oct 21:16 GPs can 100% still view your medical notes from other health boards. You`ve had a very lazy GP Reply |
| 28. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 07:29 Andrew283, Thu 16 Oct 22:46 No they can`t. They all have access to your Key Information Summary and Emergency Care Summary but the notes they have access to depends on how each GP uses them and if they add them to the right fields. It`s not standardised across Scotland. These notes are also often NOT visible to nurses for example or, if they are there, the nurse has no device to check. Honestly, you wouldn`t believe how awful IT in the NHS is. The "new" NHS app for Scotland launches soon and it`s a national embarrassment. If you doubt it, just Google to see what it does. 5 years of time and money spent on it only for it to do LESS than the NHS England app that`s been around for ages. Countries like Poland have far, far better health systems that it must be embarrassing when a Pole moves to Scotland. Reply |
| 29. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 10:01 In what way is the Polish healthcare system far far better than the Scottish NHS? And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 30. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 11:42 Not the healthcare system, their health systems (IT). Go to Poland and you can download an app where you can see and control your appointments, sort repeat prescriptions, see your medical information and display your vaccination status. We have no app to do this in Scotland and the one that will be launched this year - in LANARKSHIRE ONLY - will only allow people to see their dermatology appointments. 5 years of development on an app that will benefit fewer than 1000 people. FIVE YEARS. £6m spent (doesn`t include civil servants time) and another £12m to be spent rolling it out beyond Lanarkshire. Post Edited (Fri 17 Oct 11:42) Reply |
| 31. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 11:55 Incredible and especially embarrassing if England already had an app we could have easily copied up here. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 32. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 12:00 The One Who Knocks, Fri 17 Oct 11:55 That`s not even the best bit. The hard graft of the app is being done by BJSS who were awarded a contract back in January to...further develop the NHS England app. I`m not one to talk down Scotland, but this is a prime example of a band of civil servants who can talk the talk but never walk the walk. One even stated that the Scotland solution wasn`t just an app like they have in England. Well he wasn`t wrong as it`s rubbish compared to the English one that launched 10 years ago! Reply |
| 33. Author: DBP Date: Fri 17th Oct 2025. 19:32 God to hear you can assess the security concerns from your own perspective… but that’s not the main thrust of my concern It’s the collation and creation of big data (most of it will be our personal data) and the power that AI will give governments when they get their hands on it (which is the absolute ambition btw). It will completely change our relationship, and power balance with the state Reply |