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| 21. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 24th Oct 2026. 23:18 Dandy Warhol, Sat 24 Oct 13:26 ...at the expense of others. Cunts like Tice and Farage wouldn`t piss on you if you were on fire. Couple of absolute crooks. Reply |
| 22. Author: NMCmassive Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 13:58 jake89, Sat 24 Oct 23:18 So you’re only allowed to do as well as everyone else? Can we not just call every game this season a 1-1 draw and hand out the prize money evenly across all the 42 clubs? Surely that’s the most fair way? By definition, you can only do well by doing better than others and as such doing better at the expense of others. That’s what competition is. Competition isn’t just in sport, it’s in everything. That’s how hierarchy is formed, and there never not been a hierarchy. Even in socialism/communism-theres hierarchy. COYP Reply |
| 23. Author: Wotsit Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 16:40 I think he means that we should all have to play by the same rules - even if you have vast wealth. So Celtic shouldn`t get another mystery penalty because it`s 1-1 after 94 minutes. Lots of football leagues also have financial doping rules, both indications of why I think that your final paragraph is not an accurate picture of the situation since you can also do better than others by cheating. Communism doesn`t have hierarchy by the way. Marxist/Leninists had a hierarchy within their transitional vanguard phase (which none of them ever left), but they claimed to be aiming towards a world free from hierarchy (and nations). Anarchism seeks to skip the vanguard phase and goes straight to Communism. Seriously, you should at least learn some very basic stuff about communism if you are going to bang on about it so much. Post Edited (Mon 26 Oct 16:43) Reply |
| 24. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 16:56 `By definition, you can only do well by doing better than others and as such doing better at the expense of others.` Does that not mean that life, or the economy as a whole, is a `zero sum game` and individual improvements will not lead to any overall improvement? I don`t think that`s the kind of message capitalism would want to preach. Reply |
| 25. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 18:57 I think Wotsit that as we enter this new world of AI and are hearing more and more about huge swathes of the workforce no longer being needed people look at who in government will be looking out for their best interests in such a future. The tech bros and crypto billionaires who are some the most vocal supporters of this bright new dawn seem to be coalescing around populist right wing government and politicians. I think that makes many more likely to veer left to groups and parties, that lets face it, are more sympathetic and relatable to the ordinary person. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 26. Author: red-star-par Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 19:12 The very fact that people are segregating themselves into left and right, shows how much influence the super rich have. You can tell someone has nothing between their ears whatsoever when they defend the super rich and their right to pay no taxes Reply |
| 27. Author: jake89 Date: Mon 26th Oct 2026. 21:42 NMC, I`ve nothing against aspiration but not when that wealth is generated unfairly. I`m always an advocate for supporting local business and it`s great seeing businesses doing well and employing people. But then you have the likes of bankers. I`m also not a massive fan of incredibly wealthy people (and I mean REALLY wealthy, not your cousin Paul who goes abroad three times a year and drives a leased Audi) who give little back. Imagine the difference someone like Musk could make if he wanted. Say he lives to 90. He`d need to spend $80m a DAY to die penniless. That`s assuming he earns not a penny more through his businesses or interest. $80,000,000 every single day. For most they could last a lifetime on a single Musk day. Reply |
| 28. Author: NMCmassive Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 00:31 wee eck, Mon 26 Oct 16:56 You’re adding a lot in there Eck. When you brought in new clients to your accounting services, was that at the expense of someone else? Or did you all share out the income evenly amongst everyone? Nobody can stop anyone else from making improvements and making the right improvements can help increase your client base, which I’m sure you’ve worked on and implemented yourself. That’s fair isn’t it? If not I’m sure you gave 50% of the income to the company they left? Did another company ever give you 50% of their income when a client left you and went to them? COYP Reply |
| 29. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 01:21 You seem to be contradicting yourself now. I was quoting you and suggesting it wasn`t what capitalism was about! Reply |
| 30. Author: NMCmassive Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 01:23 jake89, Mon 26 Oct 21:42 Jeezo… 😂 Elon Musk has been one of the first at internet banking, electronic vehicles, commercial space travel, worldwide internet coverage and AI with self driving cars etc Who gets to decide how much or how little he’s allowed to earn? Does someone else’s feelings on him get to dictate whether or not he’s allowed to earn X amount of money? Or does he have to work inside a certain set of rules like everyone else? Would it have been alright for earn all that if he had kept the businesses local? Only selling EV’s in LA and banking in California? Only providing internet to Hollywood? It’s funny you only ever talk about Elon Musk, what about Bezos, he’s at the front of logistics, E-commerce, cloud computing and the internet infrastructure. Why don’t you mention him? Or Sir Tom Hunter… is he okay? I know a couple guys personally from Dunfermline that are multi-millionaires. Are they okay? Their businesses are national rather than local, is that too much? I think one bought his Porsche outright… I hope that’s not a problem? What local businesses in Dunfermline manufactures your mobile phone and provides the internet coverage so you can go online and complain about businesses not being local enough? What Dunfermline manufactured car do you drive? COYP Post Edited (Tue 27 Oct 01:24) Reply |
| 31. Author: Hoolie Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 10:17 Musk employs roughly around 160,000 people globally probably like many other very rich business owners. To be fair if i had wealth like Musk i would probably be dead within a week! Reply |
| 32. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 17:20 People like Musk and Bezos have made their fortunes off the backs of others - the only thing is that they came up with the original idea and have then hired others to do the dog work for them. How is it fair these guys should live the luxury life and not give back when they’ve made their fortunes off hundreds of thousands (if not millions in Bezos case) of employees hard work? Reply |
| 33. Author: NMCmassive Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 17:43 Dave_1885, Tue 27 Oct 17:20 Put it on a small scale Dave. Who should earn more, the shop owner or the part time employee? COYP Reply |
| 34. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 27th Oct 2026. 18:39 NMCmassive, Tue 27 Oct 17:43 Many single shop owners work in said shop……also who mentioned part timers? 🤔 Take your behemoth companies like Amazon, Wallmart, Starbucks, Tesco etc. - do you think these companies were built on their owners doing the hard graft? Amazons value exploded in the late noughties due to cloud software and insane growth - how many orders do you think Bezos picked and packed? How big did his bank balance grow? Im not saying ambition should be challenged and downtrodden - but these guys live off the effort put in by thousands and thousands of folk working off low wages and high living costs - and give very little back. They also try to avoid paying the right amount of taxes in these countries that would help with their workers issues in life. They will now all moan about wages going up for over 21s when the living wage goes up…… Reply |
| 35. Author: NMCmassive Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 01:22 Dave what you’re saying is that they’re only allowed to be as big as or earn as much money as you’re happy with them making irrelevant of how much time, effort or risk they’re taking as individuals. I was trying to simplify with the shop keeper analogy for you. If you owned a business, should you earn more or should your employees earn more? COYP Reply |
| 36. Author: Indiapar1 Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 08:55 NMCmassive, Wed 28 Oct 01:22 Alot of small businesses do of course pay their employees more than themselves as they try to build it. They take the risk on P&L where employees are largely sheltered from this unless the organisation has to cut costs and jobs. G Wardrope Reply |
| 37. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 11:52 jake89, Mon 26 Oct 21:42 Elon Musk isn’t like Scrooge McDuck sitting on a Trillion dollars cash. His quoted net worth is the theoretical paper value of his stock. If he were to try to sell all his Tesla shares, then their value would collapse. Reply |
| 38. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 12:39 Musk was picked ashes the richest. Same applies to any billionaire. Why not seek to make a positive change in the world? I`m not saying people should be forced to - it`s their life and their money - but must be a pretty hollow existence. Reply |
| 39. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 13:15 `Musk was picked ashes the richest` I`m so out of touch with modern lingo I never know if folk have mis-typed or are using some expressions I don`t know! Reply |
| 40. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 28th Oct 2026. 14:05 As he`s 😉 Reply |