weemike, Sun 29 Sep 13:20

NMCmassive, Sun 29 Sept 13:03

weemike, Sun 29 Sep 12:45

More money = more bills

More money = more bills.

More money = more savings.

Especially a football manager whose profession has long periods of unemployment.

sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 10:55

He`s not been very sensible with his money if he can`t go. He has earned a great deal of money throughout his career, in particular as a player. Maybe should cut back on the £900 jackets he wears in the dugout and fancy cars?

Comparing it to your career isn`t particularly accurate GG. I work alongside teachers in the public sector and you probably know more than most how protected and safe that sector is.

Probably easier to compare it to an unskilled private sector job where you are constantly at risk. If you are gash at your job you are out. Redundancies coming up? You are out. Constantly making the same mistakes at work? You are out. It would make no difference sitting down at a performance review or round of redundancy meeting to say "but I`ve got a family". I`ve seen it first hand in real life. I`ve experienced it first hand.

When he finished as a player absolutely no-one put a gun to his head and said the only thing you can now do is be a manager. So for that reason I have no sympathy for him. He`s just not very good at his job.

I suppose the same thing rings true for me when people say the "but he`s got a family" about players too. This career is a privilege not an entitlement.

Not your average Sunday League player.

GG Riva, Sun 29 Sep 15:50

sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 10:55

He`s not been very sensible with his money if he can`t go. He has earned a great deal of money throughout his career, in particular as a player. Maybe should cut back on the £900 jackets he wears in the dugout and fancy cars?

Comparing it to your career isn`t particularly accurate GG. I work alongside teachers in the public sector and you probably know more than most how protected and safe that sector is.

Probably easier to compare it to an unskilled private sector job where you are constantly at risk. If you are gash at your job you are out. Redundancies coming up? You are out. Constantly making the same mistakes at work? You are out. It would make no difference sitting down at a performance review or round of redundancy meeting to say "but I`ve got a family". I`ve seen it first hand in real life. I`ve experienced it first hand.

When he finished as a player absolutely no-one put a gun to his head and said the only thing you can now do is be a manager. So for that reason I have no sympathy for him. He`s just not very good at his job.

I suppose the same thing rings true for me when people say the "but he`s got a family" about players too. This career is a privilege not an entitlement.

I wasn`t actually comparing teaching to football management, SoP, although I did take a school team for many years. 😀 I`m also aware that teachers are a protected species and once you`re in, you`re in. It`s the only sector I have any experience in, however. We weren`t discussing anyone being sacked, though, but the probability of anyone resigning.

A football manager/head coach could be absolutely minted and still not resign, no matter how bad things get. Remember Jocky Scott? He wanted £90k after he was sacked for failing to win promotion from an almost impregnable position. And what about Jose Mourinho? How often has he resigned? He`s hardly short of a few quid. Didn`t he get an £18m pay off from Man U, not to mention Real, Spurs and Chelsea (twice). Tbh, I don`t blame him. If club owners/CEOs are stupid enough to offer such crazy contracts, they deserve all they get

How much James McPake earns now or as a player, is totally irrelevant to this discussion. I don`t agree with those who maintain that by refusing to walk away now, will damage his chances of getting another job. I`m sure we can all think of p,enty of managers who seem to get sacked and then walk almost straight into another job.

jake89, Sun 29 Sep 09:36

ParfectXI, Sun 29 Sept 09:32

The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.

Has it been considered that we likely have a lot of fans who aren`t ridiculously wealthy but could band together in their hundreds (thousands?) to contribute an agreed amount to firstly buy out the Germans and then continue a monthly subscription in the longer term?

sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 17:28

Fair points GG. I suppose it`s more of a frustration on my part that some (not implying you in any way) say things like "he`s got a young family" so we should "give him the benefit of the doubt" I am asking why? I parked next to a £60000 motor in the car park at east end yesterday that belongs to a very ineffectual striker from the club that has many years left in the workforce (football or otherwise) and I couldn`t help but shake my head. I`m sure everyone on here will jump on my reaction to that with "it`s no one`s business about personal finances" and they`re probably correct but football is unique in the way we as fans fund it. It`s very visible to all. I walked to the ground with the wife of a player right next to me with her £1500 hand bag. Again none of my business..however do not expect sympathy from me when it goes wrong.

Maybe it`s a cultural thing as footballers are held up on a pedestal. I`m watching the Man U spurs game and I wonder if the guys playing at our level get carried along with the glamour of the bigger leagues. Do they feel more akin to those guys? When in reality they are much closer to us?

I am not envious in the slightest. I am perfectly happy with the life I`ve built and that my family are taken care of. I do have to work hard and well for that to continue though. No-one is going to chap on my door and offer me a years wages to walk if I am 5hite at my job.

If McPake decided tomorrow "I really am failing here so I will resign" he would be on radio or TV within the fortnight being paid more for the appearance fee than some minimum wage workers get in a month.

So is it my business what he earns? No, probably not.
Does it bother me that they live beyond there means? Yes, but there is nothing I could do about that.
Would I sympathise if he lost his job tomorrow? Absolutely not. There are plenty of jobs out there. Asda, Tesco, fife council etc.

Not your average Sunday League player.

weemike, Sun 29 Sep 16:37



I’m no arguing with you.

I’m saying you’re talking 💩

thebear, Mon 30 Sept 00:04

We now have squad, that should do well, but are not. Three players I would llose straight away, chalmers, mcann and wigton, but we need to improve defence and goal scoring., are we capable of it, is the manager capable of changing or motivating the team.
I am not syre

DBA, Mon 30 Sept 00:09

thebear, Mon 30 Sept 00:04

We now have squad, that should do well, but are not. Three players I would llose straight away, chalmers, mcann and wigton, but we need to improve defence and goal scoring., are we capable of it, is the manager capable of changing or motivating the team.
I am not syre

Wighton is more than capable, as he proved on Sat when given the chance.

Would you keep OHalloran ahead of Chalmers and McCann? Strange to single them out!