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Topic: Inconsistent sentences
1. Author: ipswichpar Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 14:34 I see the young lady who chucked a milkshake at Farage got away with a 13 week suspended sentence. Of course, we only knew it was a milkshake after the fact. Quite a few people have obviously been shoved in the slammer for their behaviour over the summer. Clearly some of those offences have been extremely serious. It does feel to me like some of the treatment is a little inconsistent, though. Throwing an unknown liquid at someone campaigning to become an MP feels like a very serious offence to me. Reply
2. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? Reply
3. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 15:11 Interesting that no farmers were arrested last week for blocking thoroughfares yet "Stop Oil" protectors were jailed. Reply
4. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 15:23 The "model" was known to Farage, it was a set up, I`m sure strings were pulled. On "Just Stop Oil", ignorant children with no sense of irony or self awareness. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply
5. Author: PARrot Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 16:41 LochgellyAlbert, Mon 16 Dec 15:11 Interesting that no farmers were arrested last week for blocking thoroughfares yet "Stop Oil" protectors were jailed. There is a difference between a one off demo and a sustained programme of disruption and vandalism. Reply
6. Author: MikeyLeonard Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 17:05 Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? Did he ? What did he say ? Reply
7. Author: sadindiefreak Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 17:21 MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05 Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? Did he ? What did he say ? He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist. There were riots resulting from this claim. It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim. In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of. I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion. Reply
8. Author: ipswichpar Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 18:05 Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? A. The law shouldn`t try and link the two. B. Anything that was said or not said happened months after Farage got milkshaked. Reply
9. Author: buffy Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 19:01 Sentences are not inconsistent. They’re in line with the offences being committed and the law applied. You cannot expect someone inciting violence to get the same sentencing as that of someone throwing milk. It is deemed as assault but did not cause any injury. If injuries were caused then a different punishment would be imposed. “Getting off” with community service = if you’re employed it runs alongside this ie in the evenings and it’s supervised, it’s given in cases where you’re deemed not at risk of reoffending, it’s your first time offending or you have mental health issues which won’t be helped by being in prison. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
10. Author: red-star-par Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 20:07 I only opened this thread as I thought it was going to be about bigdonnies punctuation. Imagine my disappointment.... Anyway, that punishment is uncalled for, should be handing her a medal, in my opinion Reply
11. Author: NMCmassive Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 20:54 Judicial system seems totally backwards Just on a very basic level pedophiles get fines and are told to sign a register Folk writing something stupid on the internet get jailed In my mind, I can’t make the connection between relative crimes meeting relative punishment. The cynic in me thinks those who make the laws, are making consequences overly lenient for the crimes they or their peers may be guilty off… COYP Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 20:56) Reply
12. Author: buffy Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 21:13 It’s a complicated process NMC. The people writing stupid things on the internet were seen to be inciting violence and racial hatred - and there are laws in place for this. As for sex offenders, there’s different categories (just like other crimes). It’s not straightforward. The sex offenders register is a Law enforced in 2003. There’s no central database as such. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
13. Author: MikeyLeonard Date: Mon 16th Dec 2024. 21:31 sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 17:21 MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05 Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? Did he ? What did he say ? He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist. There were riots resulting from this claim. It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim. In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of. I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion. Yes, he was correct. In this instance, there was no `stoking of internet rumours` as Dave suggests, only facts. Reply
14. Author: NMCmassive Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 06:55 buffy, Mon 16 Dec 21:13 It’s a complicated process NMC. The people writing stupid things on the internet were seen to be inciting violence and racial hatred - and there are laws in place for this. As for sex offenders, there’s different categories (just like other crimes). It’s not straightforward. The sex offenders register is a Law enforced in 2003. There’s no central database as such. Buffy, they can make the process as complicated as they like, the outcomes are what matters. Yes people were arrested and jailed for inciting racial hatred online but they aren’t the only people who are visited for things they’ve wrote online. Allison Pearson recently had a visit from the police. That’s a good place to start if you’d like to find out more. Harvey Doughty avoided jail because he was “exploring his sexuality” Laurence Machin avoided jail even though he was in possession of 330 Category A images, 301 Category B images, and 9720 Category C images. Philip Street avoided jail Rory Lord avoided jail It goes on and on and on Some of them ☝🏻 were caught having physical contact with youngsters but for clarity(even though I can’t remember the wording off the top of my head) a Category A image is an image that contains penetrative sexual activity, sexual activity with an animal or sadism. And no we are not talking about 16 year olds here either. Some of those mentioned had images of from children less that 1 years old. Category A. COYP Reply
15. Author: buffy Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 12:51 If I’d like to find out more? No thanks. I’m not interested in individual cases. I was merely explaining the OP’s thread title, and how it works. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
16. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 14:27 sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 17:21 MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05 Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51 It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk. Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame. Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots? Did he ? What did he say ? He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist. There were riots resulting from this claim. It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim. In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of. I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion. A stopped click is right twice a day. It was just fortunate he was right on this occasion. He had no evidence at the start when he made his claim. It was the same when the poor guy was run over in Edinburgh last month. Loads of people posting he`d been beheaded by Muslims. What was worse was the people who continued to claim it was a cover up. The poor guy is dead and his family are having to see people post utter nonsense about what was a tragic accident. These people have now moved on to objecting to Arla milk 🤦‍♂️ Reply
17. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 15:37 buffy, Tue 17 Dec 12:51 If I’d like to find out more? No thanks. I’m not interested in individual cases. I was merely explaining the OP’s thread title, and how it works. My point isn`t whether or not they have been dished out accurately from a process perspective, it is whether the sentencing guidelines are correct. And, in my opinion, they aren`t. Reply
18. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 16:39 I don`t quite understand Ipswich. Are you saying that throwing a milkshake at someone should result in a prison sentence? You can`t give this woman a harsher sentence because it could have been another substance that she threw. She chose milk exactly because it wouldn`t cause injury unless of course Farage is lactose intolerant. The people who were sent down in the summer for encouraging others to burn down hotels containing men, women and children got what they deserved. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply
19. Author: veteraneastender Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 16:43 "Just on a very basic level pedophiles get fines and are told to sign a register" I googled "paedophiles who have been jailed" - many facing jail sentences. Including 18 police officers/support staff since 2022. Reply
20. Author: ipswichpar Date: Tue 17th Dec 2024. 17:27 Encouraging others to burn down buildings was an extreme example TOWK. I`d certainly rate someone throwing something at those campaigning to become politicians as more serious than putting some nonsense on social media (that stops well short of suggestion criminal activity). The fact that it`s open season on politicians could lead to a very slippery slope, or put people off putting themselves forward. Reply

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