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| 1. Author: veteraneastender Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 09:07 I see Starmer is advocating digital ID cards - long overdue I reckon. The benefits are a no brainer IMO. Reply |
| 2. Author: sadindiefreak Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 12:17 veteraneastender, Wed 3 Sept 09:07 Name one benefit of ID cards that a passport or driving licence doesn`t already provide. Reply |
| 3. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 12:37 sadindiefreak, Wed 3 Sept 12:17 For a start, neither of those are digital IDs, though I suppose a passport is to some degree due to the associated biometrics. For me, the benefit would be flexibility. No need for paper/plastic. Reply |
| 4. Author: DBP Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 13:27 …And a quick Google will give you multiple reasons why I’ll be saying no to carrying a digital ID Post Edited (Wed 03 Sep 14:12) Reply |
| 5. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 16:07 I suppose the obvious answer is that not everyone has a passport or/and a drivers license. I don’t see an issue having lived in Germany where it is mandatory like most Euro countries to have one. Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte  Reply |
| 6. Author: sadindiefreak Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 16:16 In 2009 when this was last proposed the London School of Economics estimated the cost would be 18 billion. There would be no requirement to carry an id card, or to produce one on demand. Any small benefit in making things easier for people with no passport or driving licence to apply for stuff is far outweighed by the cost. A cost which will now be more than 18 billion. Reply |
| 7. Author: veteraneastender Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 16:24 "Name one benefit of ID cards that a passport or driving licence doesn`t already provide." Passports and Driving Licences are not compulsory and even if possessed there is no requirement to carry them. An ID card would allow passengers to fly on domestic flights without the need for a passport etc. Also when opening a bank account or taking a credit agreement the card would satisfy ID requirements. In the UK they would solve a problem for police when wiseguy law breakers claim to have no identification. Reply |
| 8. Author: sadindiefreak Date: Wed 3rd Sep 2025. 22:42 veteraneastender, Wed 3 Sept 16:24 The minute numbers who might benefit from this does not justify a bill of £18billion plus. Post Edited (Wed 03 Sep 22:43) Reply |
| 9. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 00:33 I`ve set up various bank accounts digitally. Reply |
| 10. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 07:38 I called this, use the migrant situation to bring in digital id for all of us. Think about it, your id cancelled if deemed to say a hurty word. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 11. Author: veteraneastender Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 12:07 If (operative word) implemented I would expect it to compulsory as in most other countries, otherwise it becomes pointless. As for the £18 billion figure - that sounds like creative accounting ? Based on a population of 65 million that works out around £275 per person !!! Reply |
| 12. Author: NewPoster2024 Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 12:30 I think people are really overplaying this, to a decent extent based upon a misunderstanding of how something like this works (belief that it involves one vast centralised database that has all of your information), stupid conspiracy theories or based upon wild cost estimates. Sweden has a system called `BankID`, which isn`t run by the government, but is basically used for every public service or website in the country (mainly because of how much it simplifies everything). It was set-up and paid for by the banks. I doubt the banks in a country of 10 million would`ve borne the costs of £18 Billion happily. It works by simply validating your physical identity document using an app, or by visiting a bank branch and having someone there validate it. The app then only really has a photograph of you, your date of birth, and a unique identifier for you - in Sweden this is a NI number (which is public in Sweden, so not an additional risk). When you then need to show ID, you can just load the app and show it. When you want to log on to your GP, or to a government website, the login page asks you to scan a QR code. You open the app, click the QR code button and scan it. The website is then given your unique identifier. If that unique identifier exists in their records, then they can pull up your account. Likewise, if you want to log in to your online broadband account, or online shopping - you do the same. You scan the QR code. If you don`t have an account, the website uses your unique identifier to access publicly available records and pull up your address (in the same way companies here can access the electoral roll), then the entire account is set-up within seconds. It makes life much much easier. There`s no messing around with usernames or passwords. You have an app on your phone, and you scan it to access all your accounts, or show it to prove ID. Denmark has a similar system called MitID, which is run by the government. This sort of thing is the future. Post Edited (Thu 04 Sep 12:44) Reply |
| 13. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 16:19 We already have similar solutions in Scotland. However, the difference is it`s completely optional, and also not well adopted. There are companies out there who specialise in personal data stores where you can have all your data and ID and choose when, who and what parts you want to share. So you could be sharing your name, address and DOB with your bank while sharing the same plus medical notes with your carer. It removes duplication and ensures the latest information is available. People will always worry what is stored in databases about them. Quite right too when the likes of the supercomputer in Edinburgh will be a prime hacking target. However, everything is a risk and 99% of us are pretty dull people with little worth knowing. Reply |
| 14. Author: NewPoster2024 Date: Thu 4th Sep 2025. 17:33 That`s the sort of misunderstanding I`m talking about. You`ve brought up the idea of a centralised database that contains all your information, and then said that people are rightly concerned about such an idea. That`s despite that not being the idea (nor being how the system I brought up as an example works). (As an aside, though, the idea that your data is inherently safer being controlled by thousands of small GP practices, your local council, and a mishmash of other agencies, is not a given. If anything, larger organisations - such as banks - can afford to pay for much better expertise). The idea behind a digital ID is more of a way of digitally being able to identify yourself. That can be used to identify you, without needing to carry around an ID card. It can also be used - if you choose - to identify yourself to a website or app, and then that site or app can then use that information to pull any particularly sensitive information about you from their own databases. I think this discussion is an example of one of the reasons why the UK is falling behind a lot of other countries in terms of public services and economic growth. Too often any innovation, or any ideas, are immediately criticised until they don`t happen. Reply |
| 15. Author: Luxembourg Par Date: Sat 6th Sep 2025. 18:22 The digital ID works very well in Lux too. Government services are very much online, as are banking , health, social security, taxation, driving licenses, et al. The problem isn’t ID - digital or physical. The problem is that people in UK have zero faith in the government to not 1. Protect the data properly 2. slowly insist that it becomes mandatory to obtain banking, health services, then everything else - instead of just making access easier. 3. Then progress to mandatory production of ID on demand. Will then be used to monitor and control the people, and likely these new ID cards will be handed out willy-nilly to all the illegals flooding in, avoiding the need to properly review and process asylum claims. Just because you call something a conspiracy theory, doesn’t mean it’s not gonna happen…  Reply |
| 16. Author: parsmad68 Date: Sun 7th Sep 2025. 20:00 Luxembourg Par, Sat 6 Sep 18:22 Totally agree Lux. I deal with German & UK law in terms of rights for data protection. Germany is very stringent. UK is hardly visible. Total disgrace the way the UK handles data protection. So I am in agreement that I don’t trust what the UK do in government and also in open business. Reply |
| 17. Author: DBP Date: Sun 7th Sep 2025. 20:29 Data protection is a big factor for me, but also the general mood music of this government which seems intent on removing your privacy / censorship/ etc Reply |
| 18. Author: Buspasspar Date: Sun 7th Sep 2025. 20:43 FFS .. I have a bus pass .. drivers licence .. organ donor card .. Ikea Family card .. Argos card .. Home Hardware 10% discount card .. Tesco card .. Bank of Scotland card .. If they don`t know where I live ..Where I`ve been .. what I`ve bought ..what I`ve spent .. with all that info they can stick the ID card up their Jacksie`s :-o)) We are forever shaped by the Children we once were Reply |
| 19. Author: OzPar Date: Mon 8th Sep 2025. 02:07 Can`t argue with that Busspasspar! I think this is a debate that was lost a long time ago. Technology has advanced to the point where, almost every day, we are exposed to face recognition cameras and unseen monitors that scan the content of our phones. Everything can be connected. At many major airports, security agencies are reportedly using technology that is extraordinarily intrusive to monitor us, but we will likely never know its full extent. Reply |
| 20. Author: jake89 Date: Mon 8th Sep 2025. 08:24 Everything CAN be connected but isn`t. That`s why personal data stores are the solution. Put all your info in one place and you decide who can securely access that information. You see who can see it, when they accessed it and revoke access yourself. Obviously people will always have concerns, but the majority of people don`t need to care if your car insurance provider somehow finds out you`re on statins for blood pressure. If you`re signed up to Sky or have ever signed up to the NHS in England, people have your data already. Reply |
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