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| 21. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 10:58 ipswichpar, Sat 13 Jun 09:33 2 days prior to it a school in the area was locked down as a pupil went about attacking folk with a knife. A Sikh teacher stepped in to stop it continuing. Cant find any coverage of it anywhere on the main outlets though 🤷🏻♂️ Reply |
| 22. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 12:14 Topic Originator: Dave_1885 like That was at the co-op academy in Manchester....now, given all that you have learned in this thread, why do you think it has not been "picked up"?  Reply |
| 23. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 12:27 I`m sure if someone reviewed the data, knife crime may be higher among minority groups, but then it only takes one to do something to skew the data as there are so few of them. No knife crime should be tolerated regardless of who committed the crime. Given integration is often pointed out as a problem, why aren`t their education courses for newcomers to make clear the key issues around the treatment of women and girls? To be honest, most men in the UK could benefit from such a course as I`m still astounded how some men act about women. Reply |
| 24. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 13:25 jake, I don`t get why the assumption is that a low population suddenly explains a higher than average figure for a minority group..... all other things being equal, should there not be an equal and opposite number of outliers in the other direction? I think the better comparison is knife crime in country x vs knife crime in country y. Reply |
| 25. Author: pars4life1 Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 13:44 All other things being equal migrant populations have similar crime rates to domestic populations Reply |
| 26. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 14:42 ipswichpar, Sat 13 Jun 13:25 Quite simple really. The higher the number of candidates, the more accurate the figure is. If there`s 1 Scotsman in Zimbabwe and he is arrested for shoplifting, that means 100% of Scots in Zimbabwe are shoplifters. Reply |
| 27. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 16:08 My point is..... if 1 in 100 Zimbabweans are shoplifters, why don`t we ever hear the arguments about Scottish people never shoplifting because 0 out of 2 of Scots in Zimbabwe shoplift, but always give them the benefit of the doubt when 50% of them get caught? Reply |
| 28. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 16:23 The key, and broad, statement here is "all other things being equal". As I think a lot of those factors removed (e.g. language barriers, access to work etc) are actually big issues in the real world, so those policies are inviting trouble. I would also argue that most of the longitudinal studies perhaps don`t reflect the actual factors we face just now (such as amount of immigration and lack of opportunities for the population even before the additional competition from those from abroad for housing, services and employment). Reply |
| 29. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 18:54 ipswichpar, Sat 13 Jun 16:08 Because Lies, damned lies, and statistics. The media in this country likes to stoke the fire of hatred. Gets more clicks on their websites. Makes more stories for them to write. Reply |
| 30. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sat 13th Jun 2026. 21:08 The poor representation and use of data goes in both directions though. I agree that the media (and others) don`t help, and sometimes intentionally so. But that should make folk on the other side of the argument who point this out more careful about lasy characterisation and shoving their heads in the sand. We clearly have a problem and don`t have enough accountability for letting in other nation`s problems without appropriate controls. The politicians tell us enough that their number 1 job is to keep the people of this country safe. I do not think they have done a good enough job on that in this case. Reply |
| 31. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Mon 15th Jun 2026. 13:35 17 year old girl in Arbroath raped by 4 or 5 immigrants, mind rock up and tell her parents not to be racists or annoyed. How many is too many or are we normalising gang rapes and beheadings? Oh yeah, and the police reaction? Allegedly more interested in keeping it quiet. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 32. Author: jake89 Date: Mon 15th Jun 2026. 14:15 Dandy Warhol, Mon 15 Jun 13:35 Who`s normalising things? It was a local 23 year old white man who appears to be in the frame for the rape in Arbroath btw. Post Edited (Mon 15 Jun 19:11) Reply |
| 33. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 10:20 Police have confirmed a 23 year old white male has been charged with the rape in Arbroath which happened on 5 June. I wonder where the allegations about an illegal immigrant being involved came from? Reply |
| 34. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 10:27 wee eck, Tue 16 Jun 10:20 That was last week, the one being spoken about above reportedly happened at the weekend and the claim about who was involved has reportedly come from a member of the public who intervened. The key thing about it all is that ethnicity shouldn’t matter, what should is catching the alleged criminals and discovering the full truth on the matters. Still waiting on Tommy 10 names etc protests though regarding the 23 year old or the two white male child killers from yesterday…. Reply |
| 35. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 10:35 Police said they were not aware of any similar incidents subsequent to the one on 5 June which had been linked to immigrants online. Reply |
| 36. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 11:18 wee eck, Tue 16 Jun 10:35 If that is the case, then Im guessing someone has used the previous weeks attack to create misinformation. The big problem these days is nobody knows what to believe anymore. Reply |
| 37. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 13:04 wee eck, Tue 16 Jun 10:35 Plenty online from locals saying this is not the case, all right wing, of course. The uk is a mess. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 38. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 13:24 It certainly is a mess if people just believe anything posted on social media. Reply |
| 39. Author: parsfan Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 14:21 Dave_1885, Tue 16 Jun 11:18 Ah, but they do. Just whatever they want. If it fits their agenda/prejudices it must be true. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The universe is ruled by chance and indifference  Reply |
| 40. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 16th Jun 2026. 14:42 And herein lies the problem. People undermine the truth by sharing information that turns out to be untrue. Just like the boy who cried wolf, people won`t believe when the truth IS told. Out of interest, what happened about the alleged rape in the Glen? That story went quiet very quickly. Reply |
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