The One Who Knocks, Fri 5 Jul 09:55

Jake that would be a very dangerous strategy for the SNP to deploy at the Holyrood elections. By then they`ll have been in power for nineteen years and if they try to blame the Westminster Labour government for the state of the devolved public services then I think that will actually anger the the electorate.

wee eck, Fri 5 Jul 11:30

You`re right about voters` confusion. jake. There was a guy on the radio this morning (from Dunfermline!) saying the SG should concentrate on matters which would improve people`s lives in Scotland like building more wind farms or controlling the price of utilities for consumers. Someone phoned in later to point out that both of these were reserved matters outside the control of the SG.

TOWK, I`m quite aware that the vagaries of the FPTP voting system can benefit or hinder all parties. I was just pointing out that the results it produces aren`t necessarily indicative of the supreme endorsement the media like to portray.

Bletchley_Par, Fri 5 Jul 13:55

Labour won by default.

Keir Starmer`s Labour got 9,686,329 votes less than the 10,269,051 Jeremy Corbyn`s Labour got last time round.

Woeful Tories an insurgent Reform and low turnout have seen Labour sweep to victory with a landslide.

Rough numbers under a PR system would look like the following.

Labour = 241

Conservative = 163

Reform = 94

Lib Dem = 83

Green = 44

SNP = 18

Raymie the Legend, Fri 5 Jul 08:02

And the icing on the cake is Liz Truss losing her seat
What an arrogant, useless and dangerous woman

She showed no class at all, having to be encouraged into the stage to hear the result

Good riddance to bad rubbish. I’m delighted she has gone

wee eck, Fri 5 Jul 10:49

Turnout over the UK was down from 67.6% to 60%. Labour got 33.7% of the vote so that`s 20.2% of the electorate. That was enough for them to win 63.5% of the seats. It`s hard to make sense of that.

Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Fri 5 Jul 14:14

Almost as bad is Nadine Dorries, C4 had her on as part of their coverage and she spent most of what I saw saying the Tories lost because they got rid of Boris Johnson, how awful the rest of the Tory party. And trying to play down the massive swing to Labour.

Bletchley_Par, Fri 5 Jul 15:19

Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Fri 5 Jul 14:14

Almost as bad is Nadine Dorries, C4 had her on as part of their coverage and she spent most of what I saw saying the Tories lost because they got rid of Boris Johnson, how awful the rest of the Tory party. And trying to play down the massive swing to Labour.

But that`s just it, there was not a massive swing to Labour. Sure the TV companies have their swingometers showing "Swings to labour", but it is not people moving from the Tories to Labour, it is people moving from the Tories to Reform, aided by tactical voting with the Labour vote being held up by people moving from the Lib Dems.

Look at the Labour totals in individual constituencies, even accounting for the lower turnout they have not went up massively.

Starmer got almost 600,000 less than Corbyn did in 2019 and 3.1 Million less than Corbyn did in 2017.

Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Fri 5 Jul 15:50


In number of seats it`s a huge "swing"

was also mentioned that Reform effectively got 1 million votes per seat which highlights how many Tory votes have gone that way.