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| 1. Author: desparado Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 11:05 What a mess. What a shambles. Just when you think we have the worst Gov/PM in living memory, another one comes along. Bojo, the Lettuce, the man who lost to the lettuce and now Kid Starver/Granny Harmer and his woefully inept cabinet. Rayner and Reeves… lol it’s like a comedy show. There is not one country in the world that would happily allow these buffoons to manage their affairs and resources. Well there is one unfortunately…..Scotland. It’s incredible to think that c 48% of people living in Scotland believe that to be the case. Mind you if you remove the English vote north of the border that figure will drop to about 40%. Most Scots are clearly in favour of independence. The next Holyrood election will be the most important election we have ever had. We better choose wisely… What an opportunity we missed in 2014. Reply |
| 2. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 11:17 Remove the English vote? Ooft! Do you know the figures if we removed the votes of other nationalities? And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 3. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 13:26 It’s those pesky white settlers wot swung it in 2014! Reply |
| 4. Author: Tenruh Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 13:50 Parboiled, Wed 18 Dec 13:26 The next time it won`t be the oppressor who sets the terms and conditions of an Independence referendum [url]https://open.substack.com/pub/dearscotland/p/a-bedtime-story-for-unionists?r=hzhx5&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email[/url] Reply |
| 5. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 15:10 It was Salmond who set the question, the franchise, everything he asked for Cameron gave him…and he still got stuffed. Reply |
| 6. Author: desparado Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 16:02 Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks Date: Wed 18 Dec 11:17 Remove the English vote? Ooft! Do you know the figures if we removed the votes of other nationalities? I have no idea what percentage of other nationalities in Scotland are/were in favour of independence…..do you ? I am pretty sure the English percentage against is North of 80% though. Interesting that you chose not to comment on the first part of my post…. What an opportunity we missed in 2014. Reply |
| 7. Author: desparado Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 16:04 Topic Originator: Parboiled Date: Wed 18 Dec 15:10 It was Salmond who set the question, the franchise, everything he asked for Cameron gave him…and he still got stuffed. Lay aff the mulled wine or you will pish yer breeks again….. What an opportunity we missed in 2014. Reply |
| 8. Author: red-star-par Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 19:37 I think there is a valid point, the last referendum was swung by the votes of english immigrants, and people from outwith the UK who were scared into voting No by Project Fear. "According to YouGov only 26% of those who were born in England, Wales or Northern Ireland voted Yes, little more than half the equivalent figure (49%) amongst those born in Scotland. In contrast, the division of the vote amongst those who were born outside the UK (many of whom would have been Irish, Commonwealth or EU citizens) was much less distinctive, with 41% saying they voted Yes." As a country we have been very welcoming to english immigrants. There needs to be a change Reply |
| 9. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 20:10 Somebody British relocating to anywhere in Britain is not an immigrant. But you could always wave a keep oot of Scotland banner at the border if it makes you feel better. Desperado could hold one end but don’t try to explain left or right to him, his dimness knows no limits Reply |
| 10. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 21:52 If only 49% of Scots-born voters votes yes, then in what way was the referendum ‘swung by English immigrants’? You could’ve denied them the vote and you’d STILL have lost. 😂😂😂 Reply |
| 11. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 18th Dec 2024. 22:49 I`m still waiting for a Unionist on here to tell us what the benefits of the Union are. Reply |
| 12. Author: Parboiled Date: Thu 19th Dec 2024. 08:26 It keeps raving anglophobes like you in a state of permanent outrage? Reply |
| 13. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 19th Dec 2024. 09:03 Is that the best you can come up with? Can`t you give us some tangible benefits? Where is your evidence that I`m an Anglophobe? We know from your posts that you have a phobia of anyone who doesn`t conform to your idea of what`s `normal` so I suppose I shouldn`t be surprised that you think I`m one. Reply |
| 14. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 19th Dec 2024. 09:12 wee eck, Wed 18 Dec 22:49 You wont get any as there are no benefits. Reply |
| 15. Author: Luxembourg Par Date: Thu 19th Dec 2024. 11:43 Parboiled, Wed 18 Dec 13:26 To be fair - a great many of EU residents, especially Polish, were told that ‘No’ was the only way to stay in the EU… How did that work out? I suspect that this particular group would be looking at the ‘Independent Scotland would want to rejoin EU’ shout and vote accordingly  Reply |
| 16. Author: desparado Date: Thu 19th Dec 2024. 15:34 59% in favour of independence if Scotland were to become a republic according to a poll done by Believe in Scotland. They polled the exact same respondents as Norstat did in their poll that showed 54% in favour. Some very interesting figures from the data. 40% of people who voted Reform at the 2024 GE are in favour of independence. Very promising stats for the Indy movement……. The devil is in the detail (with caveats). The datatables for the Norstat 54% poll make for interesting reading but with the caveat that as you look at segments of the poll the smaller sample sizes can throw up outliers. For example, the 54% Yes poll has a number that surprises me. 40% of people who voted Reform in Scotland at the 2024 General Election support Scottish independence. That suggests that Reform have more Scottish indy supporters in their ranks than the Conservatives at 21%, UK Labour in Scotland at 31% and the Lib Dems at 36%. More investigation needed. Change by Party (with Republic) Looking at the Yes/No figures for ‘if independence meant Scotland would become a republic’ question, independence support from GE 2024 voters changes as follows. SNP +3 (98%), Reform +2% (42%), Conservatives +3% (24%), UK Labour in Scotland + 5% (36%) and the Lib Dems +7% (43%). So it seems that republicanism increases support for independence amongst supporters of every political party. Change by location of birth (with Republic) Support from Scottish born voters increases 3% to 60%, English born voters increase 8% to 47% Yes, and those born elsewhere (including Northern Ireland, Wales the EU and The Commonwealth for example) increases 15% to 53% Yes. The sample sizes for those demographics outside Scottish born are small but it chimes with movement in those demographics across a series of polls and questions I have commissioned over several years. In other words, I am telling you we can get a majority of English born Scots to support independence if we make the right offer - more on that in the next polling article. By age, gender and class (with Republic) Once again, a republic garners more support for independence in every age group with the oldest (and most pro-union) males and females aged 55+ jumping 2% and 3% respectively. The biggest increases in the Males 35-54 increasing 10% and Females 35-54 increasing 9%. Middle class support for independence jumps 3% and working class support jumps 6%. Remain voters increase 5% and even those that voted to leave the EU increase 2%. Let’s spell it out - an independent Scotland being a republic not only takes independence support from 54% to 59%, it increases support for independence in every age group, gender, political party support, social class and place of birth category. What an opportunity we missed in 2014. Reply |
| 17. Author: pacifist Date: Sat 21st Dec 2024. 15:24 Lord Ashcroft ran a poll after the referendum that showed that if the English who stayed in Scotland did not have a vote Scotland would be independent now. The other big con in 2014 was the big lie to the EU migrants that if Scotland voted for Independence we would be out of the EU. Of course we voted to stay. We would be welcomed by the EU in a shot when the big day comes. Reply |
| 18. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sat 21st Dec 2024. 17:13 pacifist wrote: > Lord Ashcroft ran a poll after the referendum that showed that > if the English who stayed in Scotland did not have a vote > Scotland would be independent now. > > The other big con in 2014 was the big lie to the EU migrants > that if Scotland voted for Independence we would be out of the > EU. Of course we voted to stay. > > We would be welcomed by the EU in a shot when the big day > comes. > > But then Scots-born people living In England would have to get the vote, and you know they lean heavily to ‘no’. They vastly outnumber the English living in Scotland. I’m just following your logic here - you’ve made it about place of birth. You can’t have it both ways. Reply |
| 19. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 21st Dec 2024. 17:31 Where did he say it should be based on place of birth? I wouldn`t be happy about anyone who didn`t live in Scotland having a vote on Scottish independence. The administration would be a nightmare anyway I would imagine. Reply |
| 20. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sat 21st Dec 2024. 17:59 Well he said ‘English living in Scotland’ , so I take that to mean English-born. Otherwise, they’d be Scots. Admin nightmare? Well Brits living abroad can vote in General Elections. Also, your place of birth is undeniable and a matter of public record (birth certificate, passport). Your place of residence on the other hand can be gamed. For example, the actor Alan Cumming bought a flat in Edinburgh so he could vote in the referendum. Reply |
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