| Topic: Is Ukraine a lost cause? |
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| 21. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Thu 4th Dec 2025. 14:32 ipswichpar, Thu 4 Dec 09:03 .net absolutely hounds people who don`t stick to the popular narrative, quite disgustingly too. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 22. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 4th Dec 2025. 15:51 The key thing is, if Russia takes Ukraine, Europe will just sit back and allow it in the end. They aren’t in NATO, so no real prerogative to help. If they then choose to attack a NATO nation, which I reckon would come next, then I cant see it ending well for anyone. What is mind boggling is how people think Putin is a nice guy and not the aggressor in this. Its like thinking Hitler was a nice guy when the Nazis marched into Poland. Reply |
| 23. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Thu 4th Dec 2025. 22:58 The strange thing though Dandy is that Oz`s posts RE China and Russia are remarkably similar to things like CGTN, China Global and the Facebook posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and various embassies abroad - we`re talking to the point of using the same vocabulary. Strangely, these bodies are allowed to freely post as they like across platforms like Facebook and Instagram, which are banned in their own countries. Don`t you find that a bit odd? Now, while there are unquestionably issues with our own media, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that the democratic nations don`t have a more transparent information system than Russia or China? Reply |
| 24. Author: OzPar Date: Thu 4th Dec 2025. 23:37 Hurricane Jimmy, I need to address this directly. I have engaged with your criticisms in good faith, providing reasoned arguments, explaining my methodology for gathering information, and citing sources where appropriate. Regarding China and Hong Kong, for example, I have shared that my own family has direct, personal experience there. However, you constantly dismiss this and return with the same broad, unfounded accusations - about my supposed use of Instagram and Telegram (neither of which I use) or Facebook, which I left in 2013. This pattern suggests you are not interested in genuine discussion, but rather in repeating polemics. Therefore, I will no longer engage with you on these topics. I find the conversation unproductive and, frankly, disrespectful. I suggest we agree to disagree and move on. Reply |
| 25. Author: Tenruh Date: Fri 5th Dec 2025. 06:41 hurricane_jimmy, Thu 4 Dec 22:58 The media in Scotland is owned by 5 companies or individuals so you get what they`re prepared to give you....why do you think the BBC is losing so many subscribers? Everything is controlled here also. Reply |
| 26. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Fri 5th Dec 2025. 07:47 hurricane_jimmy, Thu 4 Dec 22:58 Media serves it`s masters everywhere but that`s not my point, my point is whenever anyone puts over a view not commonly shared or a view that challenges what has been spoon fed, .net gangs up, especially if it`s contrary to a good bit of virtue signalling. Edit : i do not support Putin or Zelensky, both are distasteful cretins. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Post Edited (Fri 05 Dec 08:26) Reply |
| 27. Author: red-star-par Date: Fri 5th Dec 2025. 20:41 I like reading OzPar`s views on the world, he`s a man that has lived life, knows how things work, it`s good to get his perspective on things Reply |
| 28. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Sat 6th Dec 2025. 09:00 The money laundering is massive, St Ukraine`s mask slipping, still though, send more billions and keep flying those flags. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 29. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Tue 9th Dec 2025. 20:30 Oz, frankly, you really need to take a good look at yourself: your attempt to withdraw gracefully is nothing other than a tacit admission that you are wrong but can`t admit it because to do so would be a massive loss of face. I guess that`s a virtue you share with the Mainland Chinese, particularly the CCP sycophants. When it comes to Russia and China, the source matters not - the narrative from these two countries is centrally controlled and heavily censored, meaning that pretty much any outlet will say the same thing. Surely as someone who supposedly has an extensive background in media, you would be well aware of this? You`ve tried to rubbish what I`ve said about the fire in Tai Po, yet I`m on the ground in Hong Kong and actually worked for a year in the town where it happened and have a number of local friends there and both they and I have directly seen the Mainland Mandarin speakers posting about and taking from the charities helping victims there. Surely, if you were are well-informed as you seem to think you are, you`d be aware that the National Security Police were dispatched to Tai Po last week? But nae doubt you`ll have an excuse for that one... One thing that I do find quite amusing is that many of your posts are rather reminiscent of the posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and their outlets abroad: https://www.facebook.com/midrussia https://www.facebook.com/rusembau Tell me, why are the Russian Foreign Ministry posting on Facebook when META is a black-marked organisation in Russia? And look, the Chinese are at it as well posting about naughty Japan and America: https://www.facebook.com/xinhuanewsagency https://www.facebook.com/chinaglobaltvnetwork https://www.facebook.com/cctvcom Again, why is China posting on a platform that they ban for their own citizens? A cursory glance at the comments shows you all the Wumao bots trying to give the posts traction. You have in the past freely admitted to quoting TASS from Russia and many of the things you say about China are quite obviously directly taken from the likes of CGTN, CCTN and Xinhua. While I have no doubt that UK and Scottish media is not without bias - that much is obvious from simply looking at different political leanings in the Scottish papers - but do you really expect anyone to believe that the sources mentioned above are on the same level as Reuters etc? C`Mon min.. Reply |