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Topic: Club statement - North West stand
61. Author:  Pibroch        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:02

Hamilton also has nets in front of the away stand

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62. Author:  cammypar 1995        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:02

P, Fri 27 Sept 12:27

cammypar 1995, Fri 27 Sep 11:47

P, Fri 27 Sept 11:46

As has already been said ST holders should be held to account for damage to their seats, might focus their mind on shifting folk out of them and not encouraging their mates to squeeze in

Ban TIFO’s for the time being as it is just ammunition for getting lobbed forward, it might just be paper but it’s shows they can’t be trusted

Hanging a net from the stand roof for that section cannot be expensive even to do so in a safe way to meet any safety requirements.

Allocate more Steward resource to that area which needs it and less to areas that don’t need it.

And keep the stand open


All of which costs the club money. It`s not hard to go the football and not behave like a moron.


It clearly is for that area as none of this is even remotely new news


Absolutely, just shut the north west. If that bothers the season ticket holders who this will impact then come forward with names of the fandans causing bother near you as I`m positive they will know who they are. It`s not "being an ultra" it is being an erse I would doubt some of the biggest ultras won`t damage their own stadium.

c'mon the pars

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63. Author:  AdamAntsParsStripe        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:06

I’ve mentioned the netting before to stop objects getting thrown.
As for the broken seats perhaps the young lads who don’t want to have the stand closed should organise a crowdfund to pay for the broken seats and try to appease the board somewhat?
It may have been over exuberance after beating the Rovers that caused it rather than malice.
It would be totally wrong for the whole stand to close as a result of a few idiots. The club really need to up their game and start identifying people with CCTV instead of just putting out ridiculous statements like this one and instead have a grown up discussion.

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte


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64. Author:  saltonsgonagetu        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:20

Aberdeen have the Red shed , Cellic the green brigade area , we can`t get a dozen teenagers to behave , self police is the way ahead .



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65. Author:  KAPP-Par        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:29

Hopefully they find and punish the individuals. Closing the north west isn’t the answer. Moving people to the norrie isn’t fair on people there who have season tickets with family and friends and then find themselves in a singing section. Maybe 30 years ago 😀

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66. Author:  pars4life1        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 13:32

`Aberdeen have the Red shed , Cellic the green brigade area , we can`t get a dozen teenagers to behave , self police is the way ahead .`

You`re not seriously suggesting these fan groups successfully self police? Green brigade cause issues every single week for example.

This is really not an issue that we are only facing, it goes on throughout football, in Scotland and further afield. We seem to be the only ones who don`t deal with it in house.



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67. Author:  veteraneastender        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 15:02

saltonsgonagetu, Fri 27 Sep 13:20

Aberdeen have the Red shed , Cellic the green brigade area , we can`t get a dozen teenagers to behave , self police is the way ahead .


Hasn’t worked, if it had the club wouldn’t be experiencing a problem.

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68. Author:  Socks        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 15:32

"Absolutely, just shut the north west. If that bothers the season ticket holders who this will impact then come forward with names of the fandans causing bother near you as I`m positive they will know who they are."

That`s just a stupid comment. How do you expect people who might be 40 or 50 yards away at the other end to know who is causing trouble in the corner? Too many people seem to confuse `the NW` with the section in the corner that covers less than half the stand.

It`s also not appropriate to suggest that people are responsible for their `own` seats. We all pay to get in and see the game, we don`t pay to stand guard over a seat. What if someone behind you attacks `your` seat? Or what if you don`t attend and someone damages it? There`s no way you can hold the person who has that season ticket responsible for that. However, the approach taken of writing to those whose seats are affected to find out what happened is appropriate.

As for the `that all costs money` comments - well, the club have been pretty reluctant, to put it politely, to spend any money on the NW for a long time. As I and others have mentioned before, the toilets are a disgrace, having only one cubicle in the male toilets that is almost permanently occupied by a number of wee fannies at any one time. Entry is ridiculous - last Friday we had two turnstiles for about 1000 people while the Norrie had 6 turnstiles open for what I`d guess was about 1800. The tannoy is utterly inaudible.

In order of priority, this is what I`d do:

1. Get the area covered by CCTV of a suitable standard that can actually identify people chucking stuff on the park, and ban them from the ground.

2. Consider free-hanging netting in front of that section. It would hang down from the roof and not be fixed to the wall so as to still allow means of emergency escape. It might not be straightforward as might involve administrative work, but feasibility should be considered if it hasn`t been already.

3. Open a third entrance for busier games, whether a permanent turnstile or one with handheld scanners as used to happen 2-3 years ago

4. Put up temporary barriers at the entrances before busier games to make sure everyone queues normally to get in, rather the current shambolic free for all.

5. Have a steward at the entrances for busier games to manage the queue.

6. Staff the entrances - either before the turnstiles or in the walkway before getting there, and refuse entry to people who are in no fit state to be in the ground

Do all or most of that, and I honestly think you get rid of at least 90% of the issues, without doing anything that ruins things for those who have dont nothing to cause issues.

If a third turnstile is made available, it might even be possible to have a dedicated turnstile for that section. It might not be possible but would be worth investigating feasibility.



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69. Author:  Malcolm Canmore        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 15:44

A very well balanced statement from the club.

“Supporters” bringing pyros to the games, in contravention of the law.

“Supporters” setting off pyros at games, in contravention of the law.

“Supporters” damaging club’s property, in contravention of the law.

The club has CCTV but that can’t do much against hoodies and scarves used as masks.

The football authorities owe a duty of care to their employees (match officials) and are right to put pressure on the club.

The club owes a duty of care to those match officials and to players and supporters attending the games.

Most of us like to think of it as “our club”. Well maybe we should all do a bit more to call out the scum. Self-policing can work but it will take time.

My dog eats meat

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70. Author:  Par4ages        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 15:46

Why not just allocate a section of the east side of the NW stand the other side of the tv gantry a big enough section to get them all allocated seats with CCTV and a warning that if an object is indentified as being thrown from their seat the ST holder will be banned. The issue at present is that the idiots that are throwing things can’t be identified as they are three to a seat and as for someone else further along in the stand identifying them unfortunately we tend to be watching the game not the stand, so not a sensible idea even though I would love to be able to point them out.



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71. Author:  goldensixties        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 15:53

The statement points out that the club is being challenged by the authorities to take much stronger action against unacceptable conduct. If objects continue to be thrown at officials the only next step is to close down the North West stand for some matches. The football authorities have put us on our final warning. The message seems to be very clear.



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72. Author:  Par4ages        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 16:04

On the option of closing the stand surely if that happened the match would then be treated like a cup match with a sit wherever you want policy because if someone from the NWS has no right to a seat they have paid for then no one has a right to a allocated seat.



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73. Author:  cammypar 1995        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 16:23

I`m not sure why it has to be someone yards away to point them out ? Most people will know who they were sitting next to. If the guy is a fandan point them out to the stewards or police at the high priority game.

The section is only ever an issue against Raith and Falkirk as it`s pretty empty at other games. Dortmund fans self police the yellow wall it really isn`t that difficult if you`re serious about sorting out the issue. As a club who has made a fairly significant loss for at least the last 2 seasons we probably aren`t in any position to sort the issue socks pointed out in his post as most are pretty easy enough to do so other than money I don`t see what else is stopping the club doing the above suggestions.

c'mon the pars

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74. Author:  DunfyDave        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 16:40

What next for linesmen? Combat helmets and armour vests?

I applaud the statement and agree that this has to stop and the club needs our help in doing so.

I appeal to those whom broke the seats to do the right thing and come forward and offer to pay for the damage. It`s the honourable thing to do and it won`t hurt your club financially.

I appeal to all other fans, when they can, to educate and mentor any young fan at the damage such behaviour has financially to our club and ultimately players budget. If you fail in your efforts, shop them to the Stewards or Police and note the time and seat number to submit to the club.

DunfyDave

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75. Author:  AdamAntsParsStripe        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 17:09

Socks, Fri 27 Sep 15:32

"Absolutely, just shut the north west. If that bothers the season ticket holders who this will impact then come forward with names of the fandans causing bother near you as I`m positive they will know who they are."

That`s just a stupid comment. How do you expect people who might be 40 or 50 yards away at the other end to know who is causing trouble in the corner? Too many people seem to confuse `the NW` with the section in the corner that covers less than half the stand.

It`s also not appropriate to suggest that people are responsible for their `own` seats. We all pay to get in and see the game, we don`t pay to stand guard over a seat. What if someone behind you attacks `your` seat? Or what if you don`t attend and someone damages it? There`s no way you can hold the person who has that season ticket responsible for that. However, the approach taken of writing to those whose seats are affected to find out what happened is appropriate.

As for the `that all costs money` comments - well, the club have been pretty reluctant, to put it politely, to spend any money on the NW for a long time. As I and others have mentioned before, the toilets are a disgrace, having only one cubicle in the male toilets that is almost permanently occupied by a number of wee fannies at any one time. Entry is ridiculous - last Friday we had two turnstiles for about 1000 people while the Norrie had 6 turnstiles open for what I`d guess was about 1800. The tannoy is utterly inaudible.

In order of priority, this is what I`d do:

1. Get the area covered by CCTV of a suitable standard that can actually identify people chucking stuff on the park, and ban them from the ground.

2. Consider free-hanging netting in front of that section. It would hang down from the roof and not be fixed to the wall so as to still allow means of emergency escape. It might not be straightforward as might involve administrative work, but feasibility should be considered if it hasn`t been already.

3. Open a third entrance for busier games, whether a permanent turnstile or one with handheld scanners as used to happen 2-3 years ago

4. Put up temporary barriers at the entrances before busier games to make sure everyone queues normally to get in, rather the current shambolic free for all.

5. Have a steward at the entrances for busier games to manage the queue.

6. Staff the entrances - either before the turnstiles or in the walkway before getting there, and refuse entry to people who are in no fit state to be in the ground

Do all or most of that, and I honestly think you get rid of at least 90% of the issues, without doing anything that ruins things for those who have dont nothing to cause issues.

If a third turnstile is made available, it might even be possible to have a dedicated turnstile for that section. It might not be possible but would be worth investigating feasibility.


Socks talks common sense and I agree 100% with what he said here.

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte


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76. Author:  NMCmassive        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 17:43

Par4ages, Fri 27 Sep 16:04

On the option of closing the stand surely if that happened the match would then be treated like a cup match with a sit wherever you want policy because if someone from the NWS has no right to a seat they have paid for then no one has a right to a allocated seat.


You should have read the terms and conditions on your ST

COYP

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77. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 18:38

As shown by the comments on social media, the folk that sit in the section don’t really seem to care that much about it. Some even find it amusing.

Not much of a surprise that they are clad in Stone Island and Burberry and sporting CSS flags in their profiles 😂

Doubt anything will change at our next big game, so no doubt the police/SFA will force a closure by end of season.

Post Edited (Fri 27 Sep 18:38)

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78. Author:  Bamba-Daft        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 18:56

Every single game against rovers last season, the rovers game this season & the Falkirk game.. all had Pyro in the away end & objects being thrown at players. Will the club shut the away end for these games? Or is it only our fans we police? Happy for the wee Fannies throwing stuff to get a ban, but it must be the same rule for all.
Surely in this day and age a half decent camera being fixed on that one area wouldn’t be too costly?

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79. Author:  fcda        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 19:08

How about a TIFO in the main stand that says, "Stop chucking stuff on the pitch ya fannies"?

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80. Author:  DunfyDave        
Date: Fri 27th Sep 2024. 19:12

fcda, Fri 27 Sep 19:08

How about a TIFO in the main stand that says, "Stop chucking stuff on the pitch ya fannies"?


^^^ Not a bad idea 🤔

DunfyDave

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