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| 41. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sun 9th Feb 2025. 00:22 Well can you think she`s innocent and Mitchell is guilty? And if you think she is guilty does that also mean you have to think that Andrew Malkinson is guilty? And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 42. Author: PARrot Date: Sun 9th Feb 2025. 16:00 Dave_1885, Sat 8 Feb 20:47 That isn`t even remotely similar. I`m sure you could find a better example to make your point.  Reply |
| 43. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sun 9th Feb 2025. 19:25 The biggest difference is that we can be certain that SOMEBODY murdered Jodi Jones. In the Lucy Letby case, it’s not certain that ANY murders took place - let alone that Lucy Letby committed them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Reply |
| 44. Author: Paralex Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 17:20 Reading through the thread again, it strikes me as slightly prejudicial that several posters think Lucy Letby has had two appeals heard, when as has been stated by others, she has had zero appeals heard. It`s quite easy for the legal system to turn down appeals as I have found out recently regarding a friend`s situation in a relatively minor case. It is in fact very much in the best interests of the legal establishment to do so because those involved do not wish to tarnish their own reputation by being found to have been presiding over flawed outcome. My recent experience of the Sheriff Court system in Scotland and the treatment of those charged of a minor offence by others, who failed to appear at the trial date, because they were on holiday, causing several adjournments and failing to produce proper evidence, which caused the case to drag on for 3 years, has left me with great reservations as to the fairness of the system. The punishment the guy had to suffer by hanging on over these 3 years was much greater than the admonishment verdict that was given. But that verdict labels the guy guilty of a crime and as such tarnishes his whole life. Reply |
| 45. Author: buffy Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 17:36 It depends what you consider a minor crime, Paralex. If your friend was arrested and charged with the offence but then admonished then the criminal element would be removed from his record. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply |
| 46. Author: veteraneastender Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 18:59 buffy, Fri 14 Feb 17:36 Are you sure on that ? I thought an admonishment was still recorded as a conviction ? Maybe different in England and Wales ? Reply |
| 47. Author: Paralex Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 19:16 No Buffy, I`m 100% sure that although admonished, it gives him a criminal record, which, among other things, stops him from travelling to places like the USA. Reply |
| 48. Author: Buspasspar Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 19:17 Vee I think in Scotland it is a stern warning not to re-offend We are forever shaped by the Children we once were Reply |
| 49. Author: buffy Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 19:57 Apologies. I mixed it up with another term. (I’m still learning criminal law). BPP is correct. “An admonition is where an accused person found guilty of a crime is warned not to offend again. It is recorded as a conviction and appears on their criminal record. No other penalty is given.” ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply |
| 50. Author: Paralex Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 20:36 The only charge I could have brought against my friend was that he was rather persistent in putting forth his point of view. You can`t convict someone for peacefully putting forward a licit point of view. He had very good motivation for doing so. His lawyer who was forced upon him (my friend wanted to defend himself) thought the admonishment was a good result for his client. Not so, for the admonished one is even more persistent now in seeking an appeal. This has been turned down once, by the Sheriff and his cronies who admonished him. But my friend, who is by no means ignorant of the law, continues to carefully and wisely, build up his case for appeal. Lucy Letby has good people on her side, Whether they prevail in getting an appeal remains to be seen but the more that is uncovered makes me less certain the conviction was safe. Reply |
| 51. Author: veteraneastender Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 20:59 "Vee I think in Scotland it is a stern warning not to re-offend" Indeed - but still recorded as a conviction though. Reply |
| 52. Author: PARrot Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 22:13 I was admonished for a minor firearms offence in 1979. It came up on my report in 1994 when I started fostering kids. Didn`t stop the process. I listed it on my ETA passing through Florida on route to Bogota just after 9/11. Didn`t stop me. I listed it again on an ESA 7 years ago on route to Canada. It failed the application. I only had to get a new police report. It had finally been wiped, but the computer acted on my inclusion of the incident. Reply |
| 53. Author: Paralex Date: Fri 14th Feb 2025. 22:38 Now it`s all coming out Parrot. Your delinquent past!! Reply |
| 54. Author: PARrot Date: Sat 15th Feb 2025. 07:28 Paralex, Fri 14 Feb 22:38 I wasn`t always a saint, brother Paralex 😇🤪 Reply |
| 55. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sat 15th Feb 2025. 10:33 Did you ever have the username PARblo? Reply |
| 56. Author: PARrot Date: Sun 16th Feb 2025. 12:55 ipswichpar, Sat 15 Feb 10:33 Over my head Reply |
| 57. Author: ipswichpar Date: Sun 16th Feb 2025. 15:03 PARrot, Sun 16 Feb 12:55 That suspicious trip to Bogota Pablo. Reply |
| 58. Author: PARrot Date: Sun 16th Feb 2025. 16:59 ipswichpar, Sun 16 Feb 15:03 I clicked just after I posted . There is actually a story involving drugs behind that trip but I`ll save it for another day. It was quite a scary trip. We were not allowed out the hotel without an armed guard. Reply |
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