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| 1. Author: Tenruh Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 09:02 Jumping Jack confirms there will be a Unionist government in Scotland in 2026... Is that possible? He accuses the SNP of bad governance, surely not. Would it be a good idea to use THOL to act as a second chamber to the Scottish government? https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,alister-jack-scottish-government-expected-me-to-roll-over-on-gender-reforms Post Edited (Thu 16 May 09:07) Reply |
| 2. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 09:15 `Confirms`? Are they planning to do away with elections? Hasn`t there been `bad governance` in other parts of the UK? Is it all down to devolution? Reply |
| 3. Author: Andrew283 Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 14:23 Jack`s really been bumping his gums this week. Absolute irrelevance Reply |
| 4. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 17:07 He`s a typical arrogant, patrician Tory as evidenced by his appearance at the UK Covid enquiry. He`ll be off to join his Unionist chums in the House of Lords after the General Election. Reply |
| 5. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 18:21 But he`s right? No danger are we having an SNP government in Scotland after 2026 Reply |
| 6. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 18:50 I`m not sure about that anymore. I think the Swinney/Forbes ticket might yet turn it around. The question is should incompetence really be rewarded with another term? And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 7. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:00 Well according to the Tories and Labour the SNP have given us 17 years of chaotic government yet in that time they`ve won four elections. What`s competence got to do with it? Reply |
| 8. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:14 And what do you think the SNP have said about the Westminster government in that time despite the fact the Conservatives have won three elections in that same time frame? Edit: Actually it was four election victories. Post Edited (Thu 16 May 19:17) Reply |
| 9. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:22 The last two Westminster elections were about one issue - Brexit. All other issues were pushed to the side. One thing I`ve never seen explained is how the majority of the Scottish electorate saw the folly of Brexit and of electing somebody like Boris Johnson as PM but the bulk of the voters in England didn`t. Reply |
| 10. Author: red-star-par Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:32 wee eck, Thu 16 May 19:22 I think that`s probably down to the fact that people in England tend to be a lot more easily led, and not as intelligent as their neighbours to the north Reply |
| 11. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:53 Sadly, I think it`s more that Scots are simply more cautious whereas English are more gung ho. Reply |
| 12. Author: Tenruh Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:54 [url]https://www.facebook.com/share/MiMarUYCNCFZVdNc/[/url] Reply |
| 13. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 19:55 Ok but the last four Holyrood elections have been dominated by one thing. Independence and other issues were very much secondary hence the incompetent job done in government. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 14. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 20:00 The One Who Knocks, Thu 16 May 19:55 Not really incompetent. The SNP have had to massively cut budgets as a result of austerity. Has money been wasted? Yes. Have they made some arguably poor decisions? Yes. Are they incompetent? Meh. There are some slightly exaggerated figures going about regarding Labour PFI. I recall when I worked in the council the payments for DEBT were enormous and cut massive chunks out of budgets just to service them. A lot of that was to pay for all the lovely PFI schools. Reply |
| 15. Author: wee eck Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 20:51 So Scots voted in the last four Holyrood elections mainly on the issue of independence and that`s why the SNP won most seats? Here we are in 2024 and the cognoscenti have already made up their minds that in 2026 voters will make their choice on the SNP`s record in government rather than independence, support for which is still hovering around 50% according to polls. Does that not suggest voters were generally happy with the SNP`s overall competence in the previous four elections, not that they ignored it in favour of independence? A lot of the stuff that`s making Scots voters unhappy just now is also affecting voters in the other parts of the UK - the state of the NHS, the cost of living, mortgage rates, the lack of affordable housing. We`re now hearing overcrowded prisons are an issue on both sides of the border. The Unionist parties like to highlight specific issues where they think Scotland is failing like education, the ferries and drug deaths but there are other issues where Scotland is relatively superior which don`t get mentioned like water supply, child poverty, free travel for young and old, free prescriptions etc. Overall I`m not convinced we are suffering unduly from poor government administration in Scotland. I think there will always be problems when there is a unionist party in charge at Westminster and an independence party in charge at Holyrood. I suspect that was never envisaged when devolution was approved and Westminster is now encroaching on Holyrood`s powers. Reply |
| 16. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Thu 16th May 2024. 23:59 ‘I think that`s probably down to the fact that people in England tend to be a lot more easily led, and not as intelligent as their neighbours to the north’ If that were a fact Red Star, then you’d be able to construct a proper sentence using commas and full stops correctly. As for wee Eck’s question: Technically the majority of the Scottish electorate didn’t vote Remain. Most who turned up did, but the turnout was on the low side in Scotland. Also, Boris Johnson got more votes than Jeremy Corbyn in Scotland in 2019, so that bit is not true either. Anyway, nitpicking aside, I think at least some of it comes down to demographics. English cities voted the same way as similar sized Scottish cities. In Scotland, Glasgow and Edinburgh dominate, but in England you’ve got a large population in rural areas or small market towns which tends to balance out the metropolitan vote. Consider the politicians who were around at the time. The Scottish Tory leader (Ruth Davidson) went all-in for remain. The Tory remain campaign in England was led by the likes of George Osborne, Theresa May, and Liz Truss. Enough said. The Labour Party was led by Jeremy Corbyn, who was less than enthusiastic about remain. And finally, the Europhile Lib Dems had been wiped out after their coalition ended in 2015. Another question is: why Scots were more likely to vote leave than the rest of the UK in the original 1975 referendum? And who represents the 38% of Scottish voters who did vote for Brexit? This includes at least 30% of SNP voters. Reply |
| 17. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 17th May 2024. 00:32 I love it when folk twist the results of a straightforward election to suit their own position to the point of including the `votes` of people who weren`t bothered enough to turn out to vote. How easily led voters are to be influenced by the politicians involved rather than the issues. Boris Johnson might have got more votes than Jeremy Corbyn in Scotland but his party didn`t get a majority of the seats which is how Westminster elections are decided. What`s 1975 got to do with it? The 38% of Scots voters who voted for Brexit were represented by being on the winning side. It`s the 62% who voted to stay in who weren`t represented. What a load of tosh! Reply |
| 18. Author: DBP Date: Fri 17th May 2024. 05:28 jake89, Thu 16 May 19:53 I agree with that, I don’t think the majority of Scotland is overly tension or even wildly pro EU… I think what they are at the macro level, are a majority of people who voted for the status quo on both referendums! Too timid to throw the dice, too worried about remotely upsetting the apple cart in case it potentially impacts them in any way… I think we can write off any image we have of ourselves about being bold, brave etc because I’d wager collectively we’re more risk averse, submissive, lack belief in our own ability and will willingly get a large spoon to consume whatever any project fear feeds us Reply |
| 19. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 17th May 2024. 06:34 I don`t know how many times it needs said, but you vote for your MSP/MP, not the leader of the party. Only party members vote on that. Reply |
| 20. Author: alwaysaPar Date: Fri 17th May 2024. 09:02 jake89, Fri 17 May 06:34 Welcome to the modern day Popular voting society, sometimes they would be as well just having a phone vote like Love Island or Britain`s got Talent because unfortunately that`s how today`s parties set up to get your vote Reply |