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| 21. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Fri 21st Jun 2024. 23:03 jake89 wrote: > Tad Allagash, Fri 21 Jun 22:01 > > Well he`s now saying it`s our fault there is a war in Ukraine. > Nice one, idiot. So you’ll be grateful for our first past the post system when Reform only win 3 seats? Reply |
| 22. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 21st Jun 2024. 23:12 Are all right-wing nutters narcissists or are all narcissists right-wing nutters? Reply |
| 23. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Fri 21st Jun 2024. 23:31 Topic Originator: jake89 NATO encroachment since 1952. 2014 Maidan coup. Boris telling the Ukrainians "We" would back them no matter what and not to enter peace talks. Putin did not just get up one day and think invading Ukraine was a pretty good idea and this was not a Polish v Germany manufactured excuse for invasion as in 1939. "We" as in the UK and USA have contributed to situation as it stands today and "we" seem to be happy for Ukraine to fight to the very last man. Hundreds of thousands have died and it will continue until Russia wins or a peace treaty is signed. Coming to this conclusion does not make anyone "an apologist" it makes them a realist.  Reply |
| 24. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 21st Jun 2024. 23:36 Tad Allagash, Fri 21 Jun 23:03 Absolutely not. If so many people want Reform then they should have Reform. Being brutally honest, the last thing Farage wants to do is be in a position of power. Much easier to make money sniping from the sidelines. See how long it takes them to be found out. Reply |
| 25. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 09:30 I read that Farage is a Belgian citizen, paying his taxes in Belgium, how can he be eligible for a UK election? Has it all changed since Sunak held a green card or dual citizenship? Reply |
| 26. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 10:03 Tom Tutendhat - the former Tory leadership candidate - has dual UK/French citizenship. Boris Johnson was born in New York but has since given up his US citizenship. You can also have Irish or Commonwealth citizenship and be an MP. Not sure about Farage - I thought it was his kids who had German passports. Reply |
| 27. Author: Andrew283 Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 11:42 The BBC really should take some heat over giving this teat so much air time. UKIP were nobodies, yet got the same air time as the SNP or Lib Dems, arguably more? Insanity Reply |
| 28. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 12:17 Well if we’re talking about him on a Pars forum, you can’t really blame the BBC - who have a public service obligation - for giving him airtime. Reply |
| 29. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 12:31 I didn`t realise that was the criterion the BBC used for giving politicians air-time! Reply |
| 30. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 12:34 The number of MP`S that jumped off the Brexit bus with dual passports was over 300, according to sources. Farage`s children have German passports, something he was denied, so he jumped to Belgium and pays taxes there. So much for the loyal unionists! Reply |
| 31. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 13:00 ‘so he jumped to Belgium and pays taxes there.’ I’m surprised he’s paying taxes anywhere to be fair.😀 Reply |
| 32. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 13:04 Isn`t his wife (or is she now his ex-wife?) German? ETA - According to wikipedia they are still married but living apart. Post Edited (Sat 22 Jun 13:10) Reply |
| 33. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 13:53 Andrew, to be fair to the BBC, in the two elections before the Brexit referendum, 2010 & 2015, UKIP got a far greater share of the vote than the SNP so that would be why the national broadcaster had to platform them. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 34. Author: Andrew283 Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 14:02 The One Who Knocks, Sat 22 Jun 13:53 How many seats have UKIP ever won though? That mob should have been relegated to obscurity along with the BNP Reply |
| 35. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 14:16 Farage has French ancestry if I`m not mistaken but his wife is German and his kids are dual citizens. As for Bletchleys comments RE Ukraine, they simply aren`t grounded in reality. Putin has a habit of starting conflicts when he`s facing a tricky situation domestically. Chechnya when he needed to establish himself as a strongman, Georgia in 2008 when the opposition started to gather momentum and Ukraine in 2022 when there were mass protests against corruption. If you think Ukraine is anything other than an attempt to create a legacy for himself and secure his position then you are gravely mistaken. As for the conflict itself, the Ukrainians are getting back on the front foot and what they have achieved so far in the air and on land without a significant navy or air force to speak of is remarkable. The only thing Putin will understand is death and that`s exactly what the Western Weapons will give him. Especially when the Ukrainians can properly employ air superiority, which they haven`t been able to do yet. Personally I reckon the Tories will find themselves in hot water once the conflict ends as the oligarch donations to the party will be properly investigated. Boris Johnson was probably aware of this and was keen to make amends but also to cover it up, hence his support for the Ukrainians. Farage and his various parties will likely have had Oligarch donations as well as part of the Kremlins hybrid warfare campaigns. I have to admit though, I doubt that the Tories actually want to win the election with some of the stuff they`re coming out with. Labour I think will also struggle to fix much of the damage without reversing Brexit or at least rejoining the Single Market, which will be a rather... interesting... Prospect. Reply |
| 36. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 14:45
What`s not "based in reality"? Are you saying there has been no expansion of NATO since 1952? Are you denying the US puppet government installed in 2014? Yer Uni-Party man Boris telling Zelenskyy not to indulge in peace talks is well documented. If you don`t think those 3 things have contributed (which is all my post claimed) to the on-going war then I suggest it is you who is having a problem with reality. Reply |
| 37. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 15:23 Bletchley, Countries APPLY to join NATO. Have you ever thought that perhaps the former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries don`t want to be ruled by Russia? I`m very curious how Poroshenko`s government was a US puppet? If you make such comments you`re quite obviously ignorant of the political situation in Ukraine since 1991 and simply want to ignore the hybrid warfare tactics Russia has been employing since Putin came in. I`ve challenged others to provide a source regarding Boris Johnsons supposed poo-pooing of peace talks and none has been forthcoming. Certainly I can`t find it either. Please present this. Reply |
| 38. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Sat 22nd Jun 2024. 17:31 Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy "Apply" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Saying you apply for NATO membership is like saying you are applying for a job that you are the only applicant for and you`ve been told it was created for you. Ultimately you are invited to apply for NATO membership. No matter how the expansion of NATO has come about, it has come about and given NATO`s very existence was an alliance against Moscow it`s expansion is more than just an imagined threat to Russia. I`m very curious how Poroshenko`s government was a US puppet? If you make such comments you`re quite obviously ignorant of the political situation in Ukraine since 1991 and simply want to ignore the hybrid warfare tactics Russia has been employing since Putin came in. In February 2014, the USA overthrew Yanukovych alongside Ukrainian far-right (Real far right as in Nazi`s, not I know there are 2 genders or I believe in a sensible immigration police "Nazis".) and this was days after the EU had brokered a deal to agree to a government of national unity in Kiev, they stormed the government buildings and within hours the US came out in support of Poroshenko. I am quite well versed in the political situation in the Donbas and surrounding areas going all the way back to 1870, when my family fled the pogroms there. I`ve challenged others to provide a source regarding Boris Johnsons supposed poo-pooing of peace talks and none has been forthcoming. Certainly I can`t find it either. Please present this. Branko Marcetic of The Times reported Johnson urged Zelenskyy to call of peace talks with Moscow because "Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end." A claim that was repeated by Putin a over a year later when he was interviewed by Tucker Carlson. Similar accounts are reported elsewhere, I suspect these sources will not be enough for you, and that`s fine, it is your prerogative to decide which sources you deem of suitable gravitas. I said these 3 things contributed to the situation we find ourselves in today with regard the Russia-Ukraine war, I am very careful with my words there are many other contributing factors that were not our fault. Some emanating from Moscow, some from Kiev. Reply |
| 39. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 01:34  Reply |
| 40. Author: DBP Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 06:58 I saw a clip of what he said and it didn’t seem to me quite like it was being painted by msm It was more along the lines of he was asked a question about it and said that, 10 years ago he has stated that the ever eastward expansion of European Union/NATO would give putin the opportunity to present to his people’s the narrative that they [Russia] are coming under attack and that he could use that narrative to do what he is now doing… and that he has essentially been proved correct That’s doesn’t seem quite the same as he’s being attacked for Reply |
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