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| 41. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sun 23rd Jun 2024. 08:43 So it wasn`t two years ago he said it was the West that provoked Russia into invading Ukraine it was ten years ago he said it was the the West when , you know, Russia first invaded Ukraine. He also said that he admired Putin for the way he has taken control of Russia. I can`t quite understand how anyone who believes in democracy can admire the way that Putin has operated. He also said the Liz Truss budget was the best conservative budget for forty years. It`s actually great to see the big bad msm actually grilling him for a change. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 42. Author: OzPar Date: Tue 25th Jun 2024. 02:02 I can`t understand this denialism from HJ. The Russia-Ukraine peace agreement was well documented, as Bletchley Par correctly observes. Indeed, I referred to the agreement - and Boris Johnson`s role in its collapse - in dotnet many months ago. It goes back to the old argument that you must first obtain information from all points of the compass before asserting or dismissing something. His failure to do that constantly exposes the weakness in HJ`s arguments. Reply |
| 43. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Tue 25th Jun 2024. 09:31 Interesting that you mention the Pogroms Bletchley, as it seems that you want to ignore the fact that these only started after Russia had control of the area and were covered up by the Tsar and actively encouraged by the Okhrana. You also seem to want to ignore the hybrid was tactics that the Russians have used in Ukraine and other states for the last 20-odd years in an attempt to undermine their sovereignty. And also the fact that the Pro-Russian Party of Regions was the one who stirred up much of the issues surrounding language policy in Ukraine, which never existed until Yanukovych. Funnily enough, they were not so keen on giving the Hungarians in Transcarpathia the same rights as they demanded for Russian speakers. Once again, an attempt by the Russians to undermine the Ukrainian state. They are attempting the same thing with the Russians living in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. You`ll quite likely ignore this as you have with the other points though because it doesn`t fit your ill-founded narrative. The other real irony is your support for the Zion-nazis of Likud running Israel. Surely if you are of Jewish heritage then you should sympathise with another group who is being oppressed? Or is the Israeli denial of basic resources such as water, land and food some sort of "Western Hysteria" in your mind? Personally I believe Islamists and Zionists are two cheeks of the same backside, but Hamas would not exist if it were not for the actions of the Israelis and the Azhkenazi Jews in particular. My bet is that we`ll now see the "Anti-Semitic" card played as is always the case when Israel faces the slightest criticism. Funnily enough, they`re all to happy to cover up things like the annual Spitting on Christians and the activities of the likes of Beitar Jerusalem Ultras. But of course this will be ignored because it doesn`t fit your narative. You know as well as I do why the likes of the Visegrad and Baltic states CHOSE to join NATO. Were it not for Putin, then Finland and Sweden would NEVER have joined and no political party advocated it. If that DP you have is intended to be a signal of your political leanings, then that tells everybody what they need to know regarding the factuality of many of your positions. Reply |
| 44. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 01:32 Oz, What I really can`t understand - especially considering your claimed background in Media - is the fact that you spout the CCP and Kremlin narrative direct from the likes of TASS or CGTN and think that it has factual basis. There is a clear difference between news and factual reports on the one hand and government-approved narrative on the other. Russian and Chinese media reports ALL have to be state approved - are you going to deny this fact? I`ve given you several examples that prove your narratives to be false. You either can`t or refuse to counter these points, be it on the Russia-Ukraine conflict or the narrative regarding De-dollarisation and BRICs and China. Your historical and contemporary knowledge is quite severely lacking in those areas, yet you insist on projecting headlines that do little to convey details or facts. It reminds me of a certain "man" who once occupied the White House and another who sat in Downing Street. Let`s take an example from the last few days. The Russians used SR400 air defence systems to shoot down ATACMS missiles over Sevastopol. Now, the SR400 is a fairly advanced system with a range of several hundred KMs and these missiles were fired from territory controlled by Ukraine, so when the SR400 has this range and can be deployed pretty much anywhere, why would the Russians intercept the missiles over a populated area like Sevastopol? Could it perhaps be that they were in full knowledge that the debris from intercepting the missiles at this point would strike residential areas and they could claim that this was the Ukrainians attacking civilians? I think we both know the answer here. You attacked another poster on the "Israel Must Stop" thread for CORRECTLY stating that Hamas camp out in schools and hospitals. If you speak out so fervently on this example of injustice in Gaza yet deny the factuality of the above and the many other examples regarding the Russians in Ukraine, then is it not a double standard? Given your age, you likely had immediate relatives that fought dictators. You have previously suggested that the Ukrainians should simply surrender. How then can you reasonably expect the Ukrainians to simply roll over and cow-tow to Kremlin demands after the hundreds of thousands of deaths that ONE MAN has caused? In my mind, that is simply shameful. Edit: I also asked you previously to provide me the source on Boris Johnson to back your claim and you failed to do so. Feel free to provide it here. Post Edited (Wed 26 Jun 01:34) Reply |
| 45. Author: OzPar Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 04:47 HJ, I am wondering if you have lost the plot. I have answered all your questions, often in great detail. And you still come back for more! My answer is simple: get out of your little information closet and explore more sources beyond the Rupert Murdoch-dictated narrative. You claim I am repeating a Russian or Chinese narrative. You couldn`t be more wrong! It would help if you got out more. You may be in Hong Kong now, but that need not make you an authority on China. As in other entrepots like Singapore and Dubai, where trade is everything, most expats I have met in HK tend to live in a very Western bubble. They talk like the locals don`t exist, and they dismiss everything they see. I have been to HK perhaps 30 times since 1984; it drives me crazy, as after about three days in the company of these expats, I am usually desperate to leave or at least get out amongst the Chinese. And what on earth are you talking about with the Ukraine attack on Sevastopol? Do you not realise the significance of this? We are closer to the eruption of a nuclear war than we were in the Cuban Missile Crisis! And you spit this nonsense? The reality, whether you like it or not, is that the Ukrainians are losing the war. The evidence is everywhere. And don`t fool yourself; Putin was provoked into a war by Ukraine`s active interest in joining NATO and NATO`s willingness to talk to Ukraine, despite US Secretary of State James Baker`s public assurance to Gorbachev in 1990 that NATO would never expand to the east. As for Boris Johnson`s actions in April 2022 - perhaps this source will end your abstract denialism... https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/05/06/2022-secret-ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations Incidentally, I wonder what happened to our Moscow correspondent, sammer? Usually, he would be all over this topic. Reply |
| 46. Author: OzPar Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 06:52 Sources? They are nowhere near TASS and CGTN. Here`s an excellent background on how and why Russia invaded Ukraine... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0hmxrwxms Reply |
| 47. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 08:43 Oz, you CONSTANTLY avoid dealing with specific points and write in empty platitudes. Yet again, you fail to deal with specifics that counter your narrative quite soundly. I also don`t understand the obsession you have with Rupert Murdoch. I read news from German and Swedish outlets in their respective languages and personally I quite like Reuters for English news. When it comes to Asia I like Nikkei and NHK (although they are questionable with some of their domestic reporting), Al Jazeera is good for the Middle East and I used to like SCMP before it became null and void. You`ve talked before about independent news creators, so here are some very prominent and well-respected ones, all of whom speak and read Mandarin fluently and will counter your narrative on China quite resoundingly: LaoWhy86: https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 SerpentZA: https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza China Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/channel/ucgfp46yvt-gg4o1tgxn-04q Or if you want a Chinese face, try this one: https://www.youtube.com/@chinaunclemikey As for your comments regarding ex-pats in HK, I actually agree with you. Most of my colleagues are locals with a small ex-pat and a small mainland contingent. I personally detest the attitude of many of the English ex-pats out here, many of whom have the old colonial attitude - that`s why most of my friends are locals and most of my ex-pat friends are from the non-anglophone world. I was taught the history, politics and economics of Russia and the Soviet Union by Russians and Swedes in Sweden. The Swedish teachers spoke Russian to a high level and many of them had spouses from different ex-Soviet countries. Funnily enough, one of my Swedish language teachers was Russian as well. Sweden has historically been neutral and so you really can`t claim bias there, but I can tell you that pretty much all of them HATED Putin but would freely admit that they were initially supportive of him when he came to power. One of the courses I did focussed specifically on the relationship between Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, so I know this quite solidly and it just so happened that the war kicked off in the early part of one of these courses. Reply |
| 48. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 08:54 If you genuinely think the Ukrainians are losing, then you are bereft of any understanding of either the conflict or modern warfare generally. The Ukrainians have actually been pretty effective recently in severely disrupting the Russians and that`s even before the air power element has been activated. And control of the skies is everything. We`ve actually been over the point regarding supposed guarantees given to Gorbachev on NATO in another thread but perhaps you don`t remember. I also gave you the contact details of my teacher from Lund who advises the Swedish Government ( https://www.sol.lu.se/en/person/niklasbernsand/) and I asked him about this during the course. It turns out that this was mooted in diplomatic discussions but was rejected by various leaders because it was felt that it would undermine the sovereignty of the new and resurrected states in Europe. There is literally no record of what you state regarding formal assurances. I`ll take a look at the video you`ve shared and investigate the source a little. I would be curious to hear a proper addressing of the situation regarding the Air Defence war crime committed by the Russians in Sevastopol in contrast to the one you posted about in the hospital or school in Gaza. Why do you have such double standards? Reply |
| 49. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 17:33 Back on topic, from the Guardian :- Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, has not been campaigning in Scotland during the election campaign because he does not feel safe there, his colleague Richard Tice said today. During a visit to Grangemouth, Tice, who was party leader until Farage decided to take over and stand as a candidate at the election, said Farage would not be coming to Scotland because of the risk. Tice said: `Last time he was here, it was frankly dangerous … it was not safe … You have got to keep your leaders safe and secure, and we have the ability to share the load, and that’s exactly what I’m doing.` Tice may have been referring to an incident in 2013 when Farage had to be escorted to safety in a police riot van after a mob disrupted a visit he was making in Edinburgh. Reply |
| 50. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 18:04 Real vote winner that. Sorry, I think your country is too dangerous. Perhaps consider the reality that Scotland doesn`t tolerate oiks like Farage. Can see through that idiot like glass. Reply |
| 51. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 19:25 They actually believe that Reform will take all Tory seats in Scotland and also overtake the Tories in seats this election - its the same grifters every day on SM pushing the narrative too 😂 Reply |
| 52. Author: red-star-par Date: Wed 26th Jun 2024. 19:30 The damage he has done to the UK, he should be afraid to show his face anywhere. I wouldn`t lose any sleep if he was wiped out Reply |
| 53. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Thu 27th Jun 2024. 01:55 Have to admit, I am very curious to see what the ReformUK impact will be. If they do somehow gain a foothold then we`re probably in for Trumpian levels of misinformation. We`ve had the lies from the Tories already, but that would take it to a whole other level. UK is well beyond knackered anyways, so the sooner Scotland is out, the better. Oz - Just an update...are you seriously gonna cite Douglas McGregor as a source? The guy is a well-known Trumper and only came out of the woodwork in the era of disinformation. You really are bordering on Sammer levels of crazy if that`s the case. There is quite a good chance that Sammer disappeared after getting warned by the Russian police about posting on Western websites, despite his loyalty to Putler. It is quite commonplace for foreigners in Russia to be observed by the FSB. Who knows though, I could well be wrong and such conjecture will infuriate him out of his hidey hole! Reply |
| 54. Author: Bletchley_Par Date: Thu 27th Jun 2024. 02:01 Interesting that you mention the Pogroms Bletchley, as it seems that you want to ignore the fact that these only started after Russia had control of the area and were covered up by the Tsar and actively encouraged by the Okhrana. This must be a new usage of the word "ignore" that I had previously been aware of. It now seems to mean something unrelated to what I was talking about than you now seem to wish to raise. "The sky is blue..." "Ahh you seem to be ignoring the invention of the seed drill in 1701!" The other real irony is your support for the Zion-nazis of Likud running Israel. Yes just like your support of the insurgents of the third moon of Denneb VI. You see I can make stuff completely up just like you. Surely if you are of Jewish heritage then you should sympathise with another group who is being oppressed? Or is the Israeli denial of basic resources such as water, land and food some sort of "Western Hysteria" in your mind? Personally I believe Islamists and Zionists are two cheeks of the same backside, but Hamas would not exist if it were not for the actions of the Israelis and the Azhkenazi Jews in particular. My bet is that we`ll now see the "Anti-Semitic" card played as is always the case when Israel faces the slightest criticism. Funnily enough, they`re all to happy to cover up things like the annual Spitting on Christians and the activities of the likes of Beitar Jerusalem Ultras. But of course this will be ignored because it doesn`t fit your narative. You seem to be hijacking a topic to espouse your own political views, maybe you thought you could somehow drag me into this debate on a subject I was not talking about, but you won`t. You want to talk about that, start a thread on it and the people who wish to engage will choose to do so. You know as well as I do why the likes of the Visegrad and Baltic states CHOSE to join NATO. Were it not for Putin, then Finland and Sweden would NEVER have joined and no political party advocated it. Do not speculate on what I do and do not know and putting things in capital letter does not make the claim any less false.  Reply |
| 55. Author: OzPar Date: Thu 27th Jun 2024. 05:35 Haha! That was very well said Bletchley Par. I don`t always agree with what you say, but isn`t that the point of a forum? Nonetheless, I couldn`t agree with you more on this particular subject! :) Reply |
| 56. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Thu 27th Jun 2024. 08:27 Bletchley - Simply repeating false information as you are currently doing doesn`t make it any less false. It is indeed very telling that you actually ignore the points made to you and that is very common with people on your part of the political spectrum. I did also enjoy how you tell me to start a thread on Israel, yet you seem to be tactically avoiding the thread that Oz started. Why is that? Could it be that you have previously attacked people for calling the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians out for being just that, a genocide? Also, if you are in possession of some evidence such as legal statutes regarding your claims about NATO`s "Eastward Expansion" as you call it and the organisation not being voluntary, then I would love to see those. It certainly wasn`t my intention to "hijack the thread". Conversations can lead to different points being raised in the midst of other things. Never sat in a pub and "shot the sh*t"? Frankly I`m quite happy to tackle anybody who, like yourself, is intent on spreading disinformation. This is how we ended up with Brexit and the economic mess we see now. That said, the Russian money involved in the various far-right movements in Europe and donations to the Tory party are relevant to this General election and it is quite likely that Farage has been involved with the Russians over the years. Reply |
| 57. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 28th Jun 2024. 14:02 Farage always seems surprised when anyone connected to his campaign expresses obnoxious, racist views. Now he`s claiming the C4 undercover filming of his team in Clacton was a set-up and the main culprit was an actor colluding with the TV company. He gets more like Trump every day, especially when things go against him. Reply |
| 58. Author: hurricane_jimmy Date: Fri 28th Jun 2024. 18:22 Wee Eck - Are you really surprised about such tactics when you see the approach their supporters like Oz and Bletchley above when they simply avoid substantive points that are made to them? The common tactic is to try and discriminate the whistleblower and deflect deflect deflect at all costs. Reply |
| 59. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 29th Jun 2024. 17:02 Nigel Farage has refused to appear on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, describing the BBC as having “behaved like a political actor throughout this election”. In a social media post on X today, Farage said he would be “refusing until the BBC apologises for their dishonest QT audience” and that “Reform will be campaigning vigorously to abolish the licence fee”. He wasn`t complaining when he received numerous invitations to appear on Question Time and wasn`t even an MP or standing to be one. Post Edited (Sat 29 Jun 17:25) Reply |
| 60. Author: Andrew283 Date: Sat 29th Jun 2024. 18:47 Poor lad. Heard he won`t campaign in Scotland due to "Safety concerns". Weak-minded baby trying to avoid any confrontation. Reply |
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