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Topic: Farage
61. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Sat 29th Jun 2024. 19:37

Politician accused BBC of bias. Are we learning yet?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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62. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 04:31

Hurricane Jimmy said: Are you really surprised about such tactics when you see the approach their supporters like Oz and Bletchley above when they simply avoid substantive points that are made to them? The common tactic is to try and discriminate the whistleblower and deflect deflect deflect at all costs.

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Excuse me, HJ. Where, anywhere, have you seen me express support for either Farage or Trump? I despise both of these creatures. Yet again, you fail to properly read what people say, rushing to ill-thought-through judgments.



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63. Author:  hurricane_jimmy        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 08:05

Oz - The bumph that you write about Biden would certainly suggest a preference for Trump, which isn`t surprising considering the narrative of a number of media outlets in Australia. Moreover you certainly seem to buy into much of the false narrative on Ukraine that the two espouse and you also seem to have no problem with "strongmen" leaders...strange that or is it just mere coincidence?🤔

Post Edited (Sun 30 Jun 08:07)

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64. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 10:05

Like 95% of Australians, I never watch Sky News Australia. It is a disgraceful channel filled with rejects from just about every station imaginable. The UK has a copycat in GB News. Both channels have hardly any viewers and make their reputations through 5-minute clickbaity extracts on YouTube.

I am not looking for "a strongman leader", far from it. I despise Trump and his like. As for Biden, he is an old man who is losing his faculties. People need to accept that Biden must be replaced by someone younger, more vigorous and sharp-witted. Otherwise, Trump is in.

Your reading of the Ukraine situation is beyond daft! If you cannot accept the danger posed by the US, UK, France and NATO giving Zelensky carte blanche to fire into Russia with long-range weaponry, then heaven help you. I hope the proposed peace talks are successful. The alternative is unthinkable if you are a Ukrainian.



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65. Author:  hurricane_jimmy        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 10:45

Actually Oz, If you really "despise Trump and his like" then you would not be suggesting the appeasement of Putin.

My reading of the Ukraine situation is based on quite a number of things. You`ve claimed for ages that the Ukrainians have lost, yet this is just simply not the case and if you knew anything about warfare you`d understand that. My criticism of the West would be for not acting swiftly enough and I`d go as far as saying that they should go as far as telling Putin to pull his troops and any civilians that wish to be Russian out, otherwise he will face NATO air power. Putin knows that would be game over and his position and probably life lost and China has warned him against the use of Nuclear weapons, so he has no more room for manoeuvre. Make no mistake though, a Russian victory of any kind will lead to war between China and the US as the former will take a pop at Taiwan if that happens. And Taiwan being lost has far greater consequences than Ukraine.

You quite obviously buy into the posturing of authoritarian states - Gorbachev once said of the USSR "Our Power is derived from the perception of our power" - and the current state of affairs should tell you that Russia can basically be pushed into a stalemate with a tiny % of either the US or EU GDP. The West is actually far more powerful than many realise and that will remain the case for quite a while to come.

Pushing the narratives that you are about Ukraine, Russia and China are quite dangerous because they simply ain`t based on fact.

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66. Author:  Wotsit        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 10:51

Russia has been firing carte blanche into Ukraine for well over a year, yet the very idea of Ukraine even thinking about putting a missile anywhere near Putin`s real territory is somehow dangerous?

The dangerous phase of this was initiated by the Russian invasion of Crimea and was completely out of the bag when they invaded the rest of Ukraine.

Ukraine seeking to target Russian positions isn`t any kind of escalation: Russia invited it with their invasion. It is inevitable when you invade your neighbour that they will seek to target your ability to wage war against them, it is their right in fact.

I wonder how WWII would have gone if the Allies had been discouraged from attacking German territory.

The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.

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67. Author:  hurricane_jimmy        
Date: Sun 30th Jun 2024. 22:11

Exactly Wotsit. The other point is that the Ukrainians have been carrying out strikes inside Russia since February 2022. The only difference now is that they have the more advanced European and American weapons.
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68. Author:  OzPar        
Date: Mon 1st Jul 2024. 06:36

I wish you would take off your blinkers and consider the bigger picture. This is not about the Ukrainians; they just push the "fire" button. In every other aspect, right up to the point of "fire", it is the US, the UK, or France that is positioning, guiding and targeting the long-range rockets into Russia.

And that is where all this becomes so dangerous. This is no longer a conflict between Ukraine and Russia; suddenly, the conflict has escalated to include NATO. Officially!

The Russians have made their position clear if this occurs. Putin and Lavrov have both issued statements declaring that Russia will retaliate equally on NATO targets.

Escalation is the last thing we need. With every tit-for-tat, we ramp the temperature up, and a full-scale war between the West and Russia edges ever closer.



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69. Author:  Wotsit        
Date: Mon 1st Jul 2024. 08:19

By that logic it has involved North Korea, Iran and China for months, so that ship had also sailed long ago.

And I want to remind you that Russia invaded Ukraine: every escalation has been Russian.

The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.

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70. Author:  hurricane_jimmy        
Date: Mon 1st Jul 2024. 11:11

Oz, if you think Russia has the capability to deal with NATO on a conventional military level then you are absolutely deluded. The Ukrainians have neutralised both the Russian Navy and Air Force (without even having their own air force or navy to speak of) and practically decimated the professional army all in the face of munition and manpower shortages.

If Russia had the military capabilities you think they do then they would have been wreaking havoc with the supply chains into Ukraine from Romania and Poland. What reason would they have not to do this? Especially when the Kremlin is already telling the public they are at war with the "Collective West". Somehow, I think the Russian public would be in for a funny fright if they were in a proper conflict with NATO.

Putin is not stupid and knows he has nothing to gain from going Nuclear. In fact, doing so would mean that he loses everything, be that through tactical or strategic nuclear weapons.

As was said above by Wotsit, every escalation in this conflict has been Russian, from 2014 onwards. It`s time for NATO to end that war and save Ukrainian lives. The only way to do so is to use air power and this should have been done already.

Post Edited (Mon 01 Jul 11:15)

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71. Author:  veteraneastender        
Date: Wed 3rd Jul 2024. 09:34

Does anybody remember FARAGE’s interview with Gary Robertson on BBC Radio Scotland GMS some years ago ?

About the time NF was confronted by a rent a mob team in Edinburgh.

GR gave Nigel a hard time, as he generally does with politicos - Farage eventually terminated the interview and did a runner - GR off his Xmas card list thereafter.

Classic stuff.

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72. Author:  AdamAntsParsStripe        
Date: Thu 4th Jul 2024. 17:08

Estimations are Reform to get only one seat.
It’s very similar to the press UKIP got and how much they were bummed up in the media.
I predict Farage won’t get elected himself and will then resign as leader as he did before.

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte


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73. Author:  jake89        
Date: Thu 4th Jul 2024. 17:44

The seats almost don`t matter though. First past the post means you`ve got millions not represented. The views of those people won`t change and I`m guessing the majority are focussed on immigration and what Labour will therefore do.

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74. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Thu 4th Jul 2024. 17:54

AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 4 Jul 17:08

Estimations are Reform to get only one seat.
It’s very similar to the press UKIP got and how much they were bummed up in the media.
I predict Farage won’t get elected himself and will then resign as leader as he did before.


Farage is a huge favourite to win his seat with the bookies, I feel he will be the only one, if not 2/3 others may sneak in

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75. Author:  Bletchley_Par        
Date: Fri 5th Jul 2024. 03:38

Nigel Farage elected in Clacton with a majority of 8,405 over the Tories with 46.2% of the vote.



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76. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Fri 5th Jul 2024. 05:29

Bletchley_Par, Fri 5 Jul 03:38

Nigel Farage elected in Clacton with a majority of 8,405 over the Tories with 46.2% of the vote.


Great 🙄 the fascist has made it in eventually…

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77. Author:  jake89        
Date: Fri 5th Jul 2024. 08:02

I think it`s important to reflect that 4 million people voted Reform. That`s more than the electoral population of Scotland.

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78. Author:  red-star-par        
Date: Fri 5th Jul 2024. 09:05

At least Farage will now have to do some work. He`s been the mouthpiece that starts trouble then clears off when it kicks off, and then is nowhere to be seen for a while. He`s pretty much cleared the way for a Labour landslide this time

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79. Author:  GG Riva        
Date: Fri 5th Jul 2024. 14:16

jake89, Fri 5 Jul 08:02

I think it`s important to reflect that 4 million people voted Reform. That`s more than the electoral population of Scotland.


Indeed it is, Jake. It`s widely believed that most of their votes have come from former Tory voters, who have decided their party is not tough enough on immigration etc. The prospect of continuing with an ethnic minority PM must have been most unpalatable for those refugees from the BNP.

The UK is one of the few European countries whose government has moved towards the left, but the reality is that if Labour don`t produce a significant improvement in all areas, we might well see a huge rise in support for the King Rat and his fascist henchmen at the next GE.



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