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| 1. Author: red-star-par Date: Wed 18th Jun 2025. 21:32 I see the BBC is reporting another 11 Palestinian people have been murdered today by Israeli forces who opened fire on the crowds of people queuing for aid. Absolutely appalling actions, there is no humanity there Reply |
| 2. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Wed 18th Jun 2025. 21:33 And our genocide apologist pig government looking to back them up, utterly disgraceful. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 3. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Wed 18th Jun 2025. 21:39 Reports are these are fake aid stations set up by the Israelis as well. Absolutely vile that they are getting away with this and the US and UK are actively backing them. Reply |
| 4. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Thu 19th Jun 2025. 07:13 Raffi Berg, there`s your bbc right there. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 5. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Fri 20th Jun 2025. 22:26 Palestinian Action to be branded as a terrorist organisation for breaking into RAF Brize Norton and spraying planes with red paint. Couldn’t make it up. Reply |
| 6. Author: red-star-par Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 00:11 Dave_1885, Fri 20 Jun 22:26 Starmer quick to condemn a wee bit of justified non-harmful vandalism, and brand the group as terrorists but strangely silent when it comes to genocide, bombing refugee camps, indiscriminently firing into crowds of starving people queuing for aid. Funny that. The people need to start making our local politicians know how they feel. If they are making decisions that lead to the deaths of millions, then they should be held accountable for those actions. They should be looking over their shoulders Reply |
| 7. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 07:14 Do not believe what your mainstream media is telling you. I have been checking out BBC, ITV, Channel 4, GB News, Times Radio, Spectator TV, etc, to get a taste of what you are being told up there. And, in the main, it is distorted fiction. According to these sources, Israel is winning hands down and Iran is set for a civil war and regime change. The son of the Shah will be King of Iran in a matter of days. Reality check. Iran is winning. Approximately 30% of Tel Aviv looks like Gaza. Its financial district is all but destroyed. Huge chunks of the city are flattened. Two of the nation`s three ports are completely out of action. Much of Ben Gurion Airport is said to be in ruins. Do not believe the stories that the Israeli deaths are in the tens. They have to be in the high hundreds or thousands, judging by the horrific footage of the hypersonic and ballistic missiles sweeping into Tel Aviv and Haifa. The British media reports that Israel rules the skies over Iran. If so, how come the Iranians have launched 18 major missile attacks so far? And do you really think Israel can patrol all the skies of Iran? Look at the map... superimpose Iran over Europe placing its NW corner on the border of Scotland, and the SE corner is comfortably into Greece. It is a huge country. In contrast, superimpose Israel over the UK, placing its NE corner over John O`Groats and its SW tip meets Stranraer! Iran has a population of 92 million. Israel has 9 million. The numbers just don`t make for an even fight. And let`s not ignore the advanced technology being employed by Iran: it is a completely different level to that being supplied to Israel by the West. So they bring in the Americans... God help us if Trump falls for it. We are on the edge of the precipice. Ahead lies a World War, a nuclear conflict, economic destruction, and an end to all that we have held dear. Before it is too late, the Chinese should be brought in to mediate a peace deal. Reply |
| 8. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 07:52 Israel getting what it deserves. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 9. Author: red-star-par Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 09:15 Well, let`s hope most of that is true OzPar. Out of interest, what sources do you use. I was tending to use BBC but it is very biased, it`s anti-Scottish, pro-monarchy, and extremely pro-Israel, to the point of propaganda now. I just need a news site that just tells me the facts, there doesn`t seem to be many that do that without putting their own angle on it Reply |
| 10. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 09:27 Oz I`m sorry but not surprised that it is your sources that are spinning you a fiction. No media here is reporting that the son of the Shah is will be back in power in a matter of days and every mainstream (i.e verifiable) source I`ve consumed has all had analysis that says regime change will not be likely and certainly not imminent. I mean how could it be? In Iran they have secret police using surveillance and covert measures to make sure women aren`t breaking any religious laws with how the dress but can`t detects the scores of Mossad squads setting up drones to take out their air defences. That shows you where the priority of the Iranian regimes lies which is keeping its foot down on the people it rules over. A third of Tel Aviv is not in ruins and Israeli deaths are not, thankfully, in the hundreds. I say thankfully because, guess what, I`m also hoping the Iranian death toll is as low as it possibly can be as well. See here is where some people`s thinking starts to fail the logic test. If 30% the Israeli capital, home to some half million people, was now rubble and ruins with a casualty list to match such destruction wouldn`t that be all over Western (whatever `The West" is these days) media? I mean I hear all the time that Israelis (see Jews) control the media so why wouldn`t American prime time news be showing this carnage? Israelis being pulled out injured or dead from dusty, collapsed buildings would really ramp up the pressure on the Trump administration to step in. Iran bombed a hospital the other day and thankfully nobody died as it had been evacuated prior but if they are lying about the death tolls why not just say that X number died in that hospital? Why would they make it better instead of worse when the worst it gets the more pressure American internal politics puts on Trump to intervene? How can Iran still be launching missiles if Israel controls the skies you ask? Well you answered that yourself. Iran is indeed a big country and the Israeli air force can`t be everywhere at once. It can though go where it wants, at least in the western half of Iran. That`s because the air defences have already been destroyed or because they are Russian they just aren`t very good and can`t detect the Israeli F-35s. They have air superiority but not air supremacy. In military terms the difference between the two can be significant. Even with air supremacy though it`s hard to stop missile launches. Think back to WW2 and the V2 campaign against London or even the first Gulf War and Iraq firing off Scuds. Trump desperately wants Iran to take the diplomatic off ramp being afforded to them by his self imposed two week deadline. If it wasn`t such a momentous decision and I was the Ayatollah I`d be be tempted to call Trump`s bluff as I don`t think in two weeks time he`ll be inclined to strike unless Israel is on the brink of a strategic defeat. Iran says it won`t negotiate while it`s under attack and I wonder how much longer Israel can sustain this And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 11. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 09:37 Continued: Iran says it won`t negotiate while it`s under attack and I wonder how much longer Israel can sustain this offensive which is over a thousand miles from it`s border. It could be that by the time Trump`s deadline comes about both sides could be ready to sit down, albeit through third parties. Now for the hard of thinking on here just because my fourth rate, half baked thoughts on this matter differ significantly from Oz`s does not mean I am supportive of their actions in Gaza which I find to be largely reprehensible and will ultimately be counter productive. I afford Oz the respect to assume that just because his stance is anti Israeli that he is not an anti Semite but I`ve no doubt that is not the same for all on here as proven by the fact that the last thread was deleted. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 12. Author: red-star-par Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 09:39 A well reasoned and thoughtful post TOWK. Thanks Reply |
| 13. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 09:44 Here`s a couple for starters, TOWK... https://x.com/i/status/1936316468318421137 https://x.com/i/status/1936332897402909161 Reply |
| 14. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 10:05 Oh, and women in Iran...? Saudi Arabia, it ain`t. https://x.com/i/status/1936308206441316738 Reply |
| 15. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 10:09 And TOWK, just for your info, here`s Haifa... https://x.com/i/status/1936117255504331092 Don`t question or dismiss my sources. The evidence is there if you know where to look. Reply |
| 16. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 10:16 Ramat Gan - the business district of Tel Aviv... https://x.com/yamawolasmal/status/1935573018325176755/video/1 Now, will you believe me? Reply |
| 17. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 10:23 Oz, those twitter clips don`t show 30% of Tel Aviv destroyed. They are short clips taken at close range and probably edited so that you don`t see when the clip start or ends as the full footage would show the buildings all around still intact and only suffering superficial damage. Missiles are undoubtedly hitting Tel Aviv and other places in Israel but the damage and death toll is currently and mercifully limited though obviously that still going to be devastating for those directly affected. Iran still does have , reportedly, a large stash of hypersonic missiles which it could fully deploy with severe effect, but they will be loathe to use them up as that`s their last card to play. So I do think it could get a lot worse for Israel but for that to happen things would have to get a lot worse for Iran so let`s hope that doesn`t transpire. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 18. Author: OzPar Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 10:56 Heavens above! You are incorrigible, TOWK. You asked for evidence and I gave it, but now you say it is not enough. I wonder if I want to engage with you any further. It is frustrating and becoming increasingly pointless. And as to your comment about hypersonic missiles being Iran`s last card, yet again, you are misinformed. As I have said several times before, in the case of further escalation on the part of Israel and the US, Iran has the option to close the Strait of Hormuz, attack and likely destroy US military bases in the region, as well as oil and gas facilities in neighbouring countries. Meanwhile, don`t dismiss the possibility of an Israeli false flag event to encourage the US into action. There are suggestions among experienced analysts that the elderly aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz, could be a vulnerable target. The vessel is currently being deployed to the area from Singapore. It is 48 years old and scheduled to be decommissioned next year. The USS Nimitz carries a crew of about 3,000. Reply |
| 19. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 11:26 Engage or not, matters little to me but I will continue to call out incorrect information/propaganda whenever I see it. You stated that 30% of Tel Aviv had been turned to rubble. Your sources turned out to be short clips from twitter, none of which showed a city one third destroyed. I mean just think about it and I`m just repeating myself here.l, Tel Aviv is a city of half a million, little less than Edinburgh. You aren`t destroying 30% of it and keeping it under wraps. Even if it was 10% the devastation would be immense. How are they going to destroy US bases in the region Oz? With hypersonic missiles that`s what. Their Shad drones aren`t going to manage it. That`s why when they get deployed against any target its from a regime looking at the clock and seeing it`s five minutes to midnight because the day after they attack US bases or, god forbid a US carrier, Iran`s regime ceases to exist. Actually I think I will disengage from this for the time being until other events transpire worth commenting on. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 20. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 21st Jun 2025. 16:08 Well events may now be transpiring quicker than I thought. B2 stealth bombers have been tracked leaving their Missouri base for destination unknown and then requiring prompt refuelling. Experts say this indicates they are carrying a heavy payload and couldn`t be burdened with a full fuel tank until airborne. I also noted that earlier Tulsi Gabbard, the controversial IS director of intelligence had backed down and changed her opinion that Iran could have a nuclear bomb in weeks. This is an extraordinary change of tune from her after testifying only months ago, in front of Congress, that Iran wasn`t actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. Trump had rebuked her at the start of the week saying he didn`t care what she thought. On the face of it, it looks as if she can see the way the wind is blowing and has decided to be on the right side of the decision as far as Trump is concerned. Ominous signs that things are about to escalate massively or is this just Trump ramping up the pressure and taking things to the very brink in order to force the Iranians to the bargaining table? The Art of the Deal played out on a geopolitical scale. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |