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| 61. Author: Paralex Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 14:56 All this could be a fatal distraction. We need to pull ourselves clear of danger by our own efforts. Let`s do it on the park, and get more points on the board than the bottom two. That will send us onward to next season with a bit of self belief. Even if six points were deducted, Hamilton could still overhaul us, if we didn`t pick up enough points from our remaining games. Reply |
| 62. Author: Playup_Pompey Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 15:23 you just listing teams who won silverware in the last couple of decades whilst we have yo-yoed into the the tier of scottish football  Reply |
| 63. Author: da_no_1 Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 15:25 I want what`s best for DAFC. If it means Accies being docked points then so be it. Like someone says further up, no-one else gives a sh1t about us, so why should we? "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Reply |
| 64. Author: TroonPar Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 15:38 It is what it is. These teams have little or no support and it’s telling when away teams fans outnumber them often 2 to 1. How they survive is beyond me. At some point some of these teams will disappear. Bill Kinnear Reply |
| 65. Author: parathletic Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 15:54 TroonPar, Wed 16 Apr 15:38 With the exception of Livingston all the other teams you mentioned have been around for 100 years or more. Queens Park are one of the oldest clubs in the world and Hamilton were also around before we were.To claim these teams don`t have a history is blinkered. Reply |
| 66. Author: TroonPar Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 16:24 I didn’t say that they didn’t have a history. All I’m saying is that, in my opinion, they bring no added value to the top two leagues or the modern day set up. We haven’t either recently and the difference is we still carry a greater support than them. Of course some of them have the disadvantage of being in the west of Scotland - Livi as a relatively new club were never going to have a huge following - and competing against the so-called bigger teams. Bill Kinnear Reply |
| 67. Author: parsmad68 Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 16:40 TroonPar, Wed 16 Apr 16:24 As long as there is a passion for a club and available finances then I suspect these poorly supported clubs will always be viable. I have friends who support these smaller clubs and it is as important for them how they perform as it is for us, even if we have a larger number of supporters. I was unlucky enough after the Hamilton game to exit the North East on the way back to the Halbeath Road, but it made me smile to see what it meant to the Hamilton fans to win that game and on a different day I would have been doing the same for the Pars. That is what football is about. Not the numbers, but the passion. At least for me. Post Edited (Wed 16 Apr 16:41) Reply |
| 68. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 20:05 TroonPar, Wed 16 Apr 16:24 I don’t know why you equate attendance with how big a club is. Scot is sparsely populated and we are just fortunate to be in an area with a large population. But compare attendances with percentages of population and we are actually quite poorly attended in general. The likes of Ross County are over attended given the population of Dingwall Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte  Reply |
| 69. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 21:54 I suppose places like Hamilton, Motherwell and Airdrie are really just "Greater Glasgow" as it just sprawls out. You could argue the same with places like Livingston and Dunfermline with Edinburgh but the difference is they`re not all joined together. The other reason is probably simply down to our old friend religion and the notion that Celtic = Catholic, Rangers = Protestant and that lovely west coast question of "aye, but who dae ye REALLY support?". Back on topic - If other clubs already got docked points for similar breaches then the time in the season shouldn`t matter but I`d suggest they need to hurry up and make a decision. It sounds like a very messy situation with the stadium. Reply |
| 70. Author: Socks Date: Wed 16th Apr 2025. 23:32 The licensing downgrade is separate to the issues around the ground. I haven`t seen any official comment from either Hamilton or the SPFL but the talk of points deductions is to do with the licensing issue and it`s because Bonnyrigg were deducted 6 points earlier in the season when their license was also downgraded from bronze to entry. With Bonnyrigg, the reason for the downgrade was an issue with the ground. With Hamilton, it`s not. Their ground is listed as `silver`. It`s on `first team` criteria that they`ve been dropped to entry level. It`s late in the season, but this has been going on for ages. I found some of the earlier lists of awards from this season and most clubs in this division were initially audited in September. Some, including Hamilton and the Pars, had further reviews in November, presumably to follow up on certain issues. Most were resolved at that time, including ours being downgraded from silver to bronze, also on first team criteria. The lists showed Hamilton`s award still not having been decided at that stage, with further reviews in December. In March, theirs was finalised as only meeting requirements for entry license. One list showed it as subject to appeal, and another list was later published with that asterisk removed. I assume the hearing tomorrow is going to deal with this. It is now a requirement of all SPFL clubs to maintain at least bronze license and so the fact that they haven`t means they have breached league rules. I don`t see how that can be contested. The SPFL now need to consider what sanction is appropriate, if any. It`s not certain there will be a points deduction and, if there is, it`s not certain it will be 6. To some degree, it will depend on circumstances. It`s possible it will also look at the separate issues with the ground. The ground issues are to do with them not confirming their ground for next season by the deadline of 31 March, and possibly also whether they have the necessary security to play there at all. There seems to have been some admin issue that meant they returned the forms slightly late. If this is part of what the hearing is about, and it was just a matter of submitting forms a couple of days late, it would be ridiculous for there to be any significant penalty for that if they can find some mitigation for it. My guess is that it will deal only with the licensing issue, with any ground-related matters to be looked at later if at all. The licensing issue is what needs dealt with now, as any points deductions have to be sorted out very soon. And since it`s been going on since September, there absolutely does need to be a final outcome to it before the end of the season. Reply |
| 71. Author: Raymie the Legend Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 00:59 Good investigative work, Socks. Thanks.  It`s bloody tough being a legend Ron Atkinson - 1983 Reply |
| 72. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 16:10 I find it amusing hearing fans talk about teams like Hamilton and livi not deserving of the fruits of good recruitment and overall decent running of their club because of crowd size. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 73. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 16:32 cammypar 1995, Thu 17 Apr 16:10 That’s right. Rangers Mk1 had an enormous global support but that didn’t save them from liquidation. Crowd size means bugger all. Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte Reply |
| 74. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 16:35 Any news on the outcome of this? Reply |
| 75. Author: kozmasrightfoot Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 16:51 It`s not like our crowds are 25 thousand every week. 1 or 2 thousand extra fans over teams around us isn`t much. It certainly doesn`t give us the right to puff out our chests and say "We`re a bigger club than you" to anybody. I hate all this sleeping giant nonsense too. We`re not a giant team. We`re of a similar size to Motherwell, St Mirren, Dundee, Kilmarnock etc. Old Firm, New Firm, Hibs & Hearts then the rest of us. Pottering about at the bottom of the Championship is not where we should be though,we should be a regular yoyo SPL/top of the Championship team but we have no devine right to be there. If Scottish football wasn`t dictated by TV, money and greed we`d have a top league of 16/18,comparable to other countries. Then we`d more than likely be in the top league generally flitting about mid table or battling relegation with the occasional venture into European territories. Its never gonna change though so we need to fight hard whilst getting lucky with having owners that want the club to progress and a manager worth his salt.. Pars fan. Magpies fan. Mens tennis fan. Alternative rock fan. Not a fan of much else. Reply |
| 76. Author: coventrypar Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 17:00 Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot like Date: Thu 17 Apr 16:51 If Scottish football wasn`t dictated by TV, money and greed we`d have a top league of 16/18,comparable to other countries. kozma ... I`m old enough ( perhaps you are too?) to remember when there was two leagues of 16. For the clubs themselves I think it was a great way to bring in a few fringe players to test them out etc with no pressure, but as a supporter for 6 or 7 teams frankly too many games became meaningless in the last 1/4 of the season and it was all a bit meh PS - I don`t have a solution .) "If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all" Reply |
| 77. Author: Connor560 Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 18:00 Being in the know at another club - points deduction confirmed. More than I thought. Pars safe from automatic relegation. Will let the press do the rest. C'mon Ye Pars! Post Edited (Thu 17 Apr 18:02) Reply |
| 78. Author: 87Par Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 18:02 Connor560, Thu 17 Apr 18:00 Fabulous 👌 Reply |
| 79. Author: Berry Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 18:04 Hamilton been deducted 15 points and a 9k fine, table being updated imminently. Just announced by SPFL. Sure there will be an appeal. Post Edited (Thu 17 Apr 18:06) Reply |
| 80. Author: AveragePar Date: Thu 17th Apr 2025. 18:06 WOW. Reply |
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