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| 141. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 09:12 Coincidentally, weren`t we docked 15 points in 2013 for maladministration? We haven`t really recovered fully from that and are still suffering the consequences. It`s a shame for the fans but unfortunately lots of things happen at football clubs which are beyond their control. Post Edited (Fri 18 Apr 14:54) Reply |
| 142. Author: king lad Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 09:28 I`m not sure what there is to appeal from a Hamilton point of view other than attempting to bring the points deduction down to give them a shot of finishing 9th. As their own fans have attested to, their ownership seems extremely shady and have finally been punished for a number of rules being broken. It`s a positive for the pars in that it makes it now much more likely we finish above 9th but hopefully there is no complacency and the team can secure safety on Saturday with a win + Airdrie draw or loss. Reply |
| 143. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 09:40 da_no_1, Fri 18 Apr 08:43 This. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply |
| 144. Author: SusieQ Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 10:10 We also DO have to stay up on our own merits - ok we are safe from automatic relegation with this ruling, but there`s still a play off looming if we`re not professional enough to gather some much needed points in the last 3 games so not much has really changed for us. Be interesting to see how it effects Queens Park, in particular, who looked dead & buried before yesterday. Airdrie still look most likely, being 5 points behind, so again unless results go with us tomorrow, nothing has really changed for us in terms of trying to beat them next week to ensure our status. Still work to do - it`s just a (massive) helping hand. COME ON YE PARS! Reply |
| 145. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 10:45 da_no_1, Fri 18 Apr 08:43 It`s a let off the fact the points are added now instead of suspended for next season. It means we only need to win 1 out of the next 3 to be safe. Especially with McCann out and kane being unreliable it makes it a more achievable target. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 146. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 10:55 The way some folk go on you would think we were the only club in the Championship who benefit from Hamilton`s penalty! They took 9 points out of 12 against us. How many would they have won if they`d stuck to the rules? Reply |
| 147. Author: da_no_1 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 11:14 cammypar 1995, Fri 18 Apr 10:45 Don`t be daft. Why would be they be suspended til next season? Assume you didnt bother to read the SPFL statement? Come back on here when you know the facts. "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Reply |
| 148. Author: GJS93 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 11:26 cant remember if it was a small group of players or the whole squad that effectively went on strike over the late wages at the start of the season, what will they do after this? would it be a surprise if they all walked out and the club had to play the u18s against Queens Park tomorrow? for us, tomorrow was a must not lose anyway, that hasnt changed. Reply |
| 149. Author: Rigger Al Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 12:13 Lets get the points on our own merit ,3 wins please :):) Reply |
| 150. Author: MinnesotaAndy Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 12:54 Very much agree with Rigger_AI. Let`s get three wins to end this season on a high. Aside: Judging from last year`s league prize pot, finishing 7th likely earns, in league prize money, another ~25K, over finishing 8th. Chump change, but sure buys you a lot of macaroon bars. Reply |
| 151. Author: kozmasrightfoot Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 13:31 A new day and I`ve woke up in a right kerfuffle. I`m imagining every game going against us, finishing 9th and losing the playoff. I`m away out to murder some rabbits and cut off their feet to carry around with me. I hate my life 🙃. In reality,we only need 1 point as that goal difference over Airdrie is rather substantial. Pars fan. Magpies fan. Mens tennis fan. Alternative rock fan. Not a fan of much else. Reply |
| 152. Author: Ahoy!Ahoy! Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 13:56 I hope we get the point we need to tomorrow and it’s done and dusted before we play Airdrie at East End. Reply |
| 153. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 13:58 da_no_1, Fri 18 Apr 11:14 ironic statement coming from the .net slaver. It`s clear it`s a let off if you look at the updated table and our injury list. especially our lack of goal scorers. We still need to win 1 out of 3 remaining games to avoid 9th. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 154. Author: doctordandruff Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:03 Normal punishment for fielding an ineligible player is a 3-0 win to the other team. We have probably suffered more than anyone with their cheating and their results should be wiped and be kicked out the league. Reply |
| 155. Author: da_no_1 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:05 cammypar 1995, Fri 18 Apr 13:58 It will only be a let-off if at the season end we would`ve finished bottom or second bottom without their deduction. Might happen but not yet. The last bit of your post is incorrect. We can finish 8th even if we lose our last 3. Airdrie need at least 2 wins from 3. 4 points is no good to them. "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Post Edited (Fri 18 Apr 14:07) Reply |
| 156. Author: GJS93 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:14 "I hope we get the point we need to tomorrow and it’s done and dusted before we play Airdrie at East End" a win and Airdrie draw or lose = safe a draw and Airdrie lose = Airdrie must win against us and Ayr and turn around a 14 goal swing at least to finish above us. Reply |
| 157. Author: PARrot Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:30 da_no_1, Fri 18 Apr 14:05 It isnt a letoff at any rate. They cheated, signed players they shouldnt have, and took points from us. If they were minus those players we might not be in the same predicament. The penalty fits the crime.  Reply |
| 158. Author: RhinoPars Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:35 Coventry Par - I have posted on this in the past a while back but here in South Africa our top PSL (Professional Soccer League) and its effective second division both have 16 teams. The PSL was set up with help from the late Trevor Phillips who I think also had a role in setting up the Premier League in England. He was CEO of the PSL for a period. One of the good things they did was to have a much more equitable revenue distribution. While winner of the PSL gets more than the bottom teams a large part of the total money is provided to all clubs in the PSL equally in the form of a monthly grant. This helps with cash flow and also helps make the league more competitive with smaller teams having a bit more of a chance of winning the league. South Africa has an advantage that there is a much bigger population but most are not wealthy and going to games is very cheap. However, the league`s success has meant that TV revenue has been steadily rising. With a 16 team top division there are only 30 games a season and you only play each team twice not four times as in Scotland. Here the two clubs with by far the biggest support are Orlando Pirates and Kaiser Chiefs. Mamalodi Sundowns have been more successful in recent years but they don`t have the fan base that the big 2 have. The PSL was founded in 1996 and Mamelodi Sundowns have won it 14 times, Pirates and Chiefs 4 times each and four other teams have won it with Super Sport United winning it 3 times and three others winning it once. While still skewed towards the big 3 clubs other smaller sides have won the league on 6 occasions. Contrast that to Scotland and how long ago it was since Aberdeen and Dundee Utd won the league and Hearts almost did. Given their huge fan bases Pirates and Chiefs could be thought of as an OF equivalent (although without the nasty hatred between the OF fans). The standard of the PSL is reasonable and in the past, teams like Manchester United, Aresenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Crystal Palace, Aberdeen and Rangers have played one or both of the big 2 in pre-season matches. This hasn`t happened for a few years as UK clubs seem to have switched attention to SE Asia and USA where perhaps there are more commercial opportunities for them. Given the 8 fewer games (compared to Scotland`s top division) and only playing other teams twice a season in the league how are the bigger clubs satisfied and are there lots of meaningless games towards the end of the season? The way they have got round the meaningless games and fewer league match problem and to give something for more teams to aim for they have an annual Top8 knockout Cup competition. To qualify for the following season you have to have finished in the top 8 league positions. Often teams as far down as 12th or 13th may still have a chance to get into the top 8 with a few games to go. At the bottom the bottom (16th) club is automatically relegated. The second bottom goes into a mini home and away play off league to determine the last club who will play in the PSL the following season. The teams higher up the league are also fighting to qualify for the two African football competitions (our equivalent of Champions League and Europa League). Thus right up to the end of the season every club is usually fighting to either win the league, qualify for African competitions, Qualify for next season`s Top8 competition or fighting to avoid relegation. There are very few dead rubbers. A search for info on distribution of revenue came up with this... While exact figures can vary and aren`t always publicly disclosed in detail, here`s a general overview of how money is distributed to PSL clubs: Monthly Grants: PSL clubs receive a consistent monthly grant, crucial for their operational expenses. These grants come primarily from the league`s lucrative broadcasting rights. Sources indicate this figure was around R2.5 million per month per club. (approx GBP 100,000pm) Prize Money: Clubs also earn prize money based on their final league position. This amount varies significantly, with the league champions receiving the largest share. The prize money has seen increases over the years, with the most recent figure for the league winner being R20 million (equiv to around GBP 810,000). Key Observations: Monthly grants provide a stable income for all teams, helping to ensure the league`s competitiveness. Prize money serves as an incentive for on-field success, rewarding the top-performing teams. Broadcasting rights are a major source of revenue for the PSL, enabling them to provide substantial financial support to clubs. It`s important to note that the financial details of the PSL, including the exact distribution model, can change over time with new sponsorships and broadcasting deals. The thing that is bad with SA football is the "franchises" can be bought and so clubs with a decent history can sometimes be bought up, renamed and maybe even moved to a different Post Edited (Fri 18 Apr 15:04) Reply |
| 159. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 14:41 I think some posters are missing the point if they think Hamilton`s punishment is a lucky break for us and other teams involved in the relegation battle. Charge 1 against them states they misled the SPFL regarding the lifting of a transfer embargo. It`s fair to assume this should have been in force during the January transfer window when they brought 5 players to the club including Ricky Lamie, Scott Robinson, Connor Smith and Charlie Telfer. It could also have affected earlier transfers. The reason for the points deduction is to compensate for the fact that they were probably fielding a stronger team than they were entitled to in games and winning points they would likely not have won otherwise. The penalty is obviously an estimate but the SPFL have deemed that, in relation to this charge, a loss equivalent to 4 wins is appropriate. Rather than `losing` 12 points, they are saying their points total was artificially inflated by that amount as a result of flouting the rules. [Charge 1: Breach of Rules B1, E17 and E18 in relation to the failure to notify the SPFL of Remuneration Defaults in respect of six players and a failure to act with the utmost good faith in its representations to the SPFL Board regarding the lifting of a transfer embargo after previous Remuneration and Tax Defaults. Sanction: Immediate 12 point deduction and £5,000 fine.] ETA - Sorry, I see PARrot has made this point much more concisely whilst I was composing my post! Post Edited (Fri 18 Apr 14:44) Reply |
| 160. Author: neilholland999 Date: Fri 18th Apr 2025. 15:03 Excellent post, Wee Eck. I haven`t looked into this, but presumably all the players they signed in the window have featured in most of their fixtures since then? Reply |
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