| Topic: Migrant Universal Claims hit 12 Billion |
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| 41. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Fri 25th Sep 2026. 21:12 You don’t up the wages and who pays for the food and fuel that is going through the roof for no good reason? Reply |
| 42. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Fri 25th Sep 2026. 22:25 Fife Social Work have started sponsored visas again due to the great British public not filling the vacancies! Reply |
| 43. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 25th Sep 2026. 22:58 ipswichpar, Fri 25 Sep 15:19 You’ve basically answered what I was thinking. Each role has different requirements, some roles will be better for someone who works 40 hours and some roles will be better for 2 x 20 hours. And you’re 100% correct about the unemployment numbers. That’s where zero hours will paper over a lot of cracks although it’s worth noting zero hour contracts will suit some people and some roles. I don’t actually think that the problem is how much companies are paying, I think the problem is more to do with working regulations but if it’s said out loud people freak out cos that is somehow the correct response. COYP Reply |
| 44. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 25th Sep 2026. 23:02 Dave_1885, Fri 25 Sep 21:12 That’s a good point Dave. Catch 22 though, if you up wages you increase the base cost not just of raw materials but logistics and every other related business costs. What was once a good wage is no longer a good wage because a loaf of bread is no longer 50p it’s closer to £1.50 COYP Reply |
| 45. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Fri 25th Sep 2026. 23:16 Just think yourself lucky you dont work for Glasgow City council…… Reply |
| 46. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 00:08 LochgellyAlbert, Fri 25 Sept 22:25 The roles are bloody hard for low pay. It`s disgraceful that we pay so badly in these vital roles that we rely on people from poorer countries to come and do them. The last time I spoke with people from a carers centre you could tell the goodwill was wearing thin. Many were in the role because they had family or friends there. Reply |
| 47. Author: NMCmassive Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 01:27 New social workers earn from £39,000-£45,000 annually in Scotland. Fife council currently have a post for between £42,00-£46,000 annually. Basically they are above average earners in Scotland. COYP Reply |
| 48. Author: buffy Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 01:33 I think Jake is talking about carers, NMC. They are poorly paid (plus those of us who became parent carers ~ the carers allowance is equally disgraceful). ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply |
| 49. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 08:28 Yes, carers. They get minimum wage essentially. Social workers for that wage also aren`t amazingly paid for the stress of that job. It may be above average, but the job doesn`t end when you click off. Reply |
| 50. Author: NMCmassive Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 13:10 Aye mis read that there. And no they don’t get minimum wage essentially. Essentially new carers will get close to minimum wage but once you’re experienced and got further up the SVQ scale, you’ll around £14ph mark. I know carers earning £14.50ph. I agree there not huge money in caring for individuals. Never has been. AI might change that. COYP Reply |
| 51. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 14:16 Jake, not quite minimum wage but not far of it. £12.71 is the UK minimum wage and if you have a look on Indeed there are a good number of homes advertising for carers and all seem to offering £13.45 per hour. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 52. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 19:22 You`d be as well working at Aldi. Less stress for similar money, and that`s not saying Aldi is easy. Reply |
| 53. Author: Andrew283 Date: Sat 26th Sep 2026. 22:50 NMCmassive, Sat 26 Sept 13:10 I make more than that working in a call centre...carers are shockingly underpaid. What`s AI going to do to help carer wages? Reply |
| 54. Author: NMCmassive Date: Sun 27th Sep 2026. 00:25 Andrew283, Sat 26 Sep 22:50 Once all the desk jobs are gone, carers will be one of the last careers left. COYP Reply |
| 55. Author: NMCmassive Date: Sun 27th Sep 2026. 00:37 I wonder how much Mohammed Naim received? He would have been eligible as he was an asylum seeker. The bodyguard of the leader of Hamas became an asylum seeker. Stories like that are what makes people skeptics of the process and open the door to conspiracy theories. Some of which will turn out to be true. COYP Reply |
| 56. Author: Hoolie Date: Sun 27th Sep 2026. 20:26 My wife is a Carer and loves the job looking after the elderly making sure they are ok. She goes into look after people with short/long term dementia and makes sure to the best of her ability they take their medication etc. Now when she has been to visit Betty she has another visit to a long term alcoholic who drinks all night and shits all over his house and gives her abuse…next visit to old John who wants his bath and breakfast…next visit to a down syndrome girl who doesn’t want a shower and her mum can’t control her…final visit to Mohammed who loves his bed bath and wants the sponge to clean his balls more and his family of 8 in the house treat my wife like a piece of ****! Carers are supposed to look after our respectful elderly who can live in their houses but need assistance getting ready for the day ahead… Reply |
| 57. Author: Andrew283 Date: Sun 27th Sep 2026. 22:35 Hoolie, Sun 27 Sept 20:26 Can`t even contain your throbbing racism. Bell end. I work in healthcare and believe me, the elderly are rarely respectful, regardless of name or place of birth Reply |
| 58. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 28th Sep 2026. 14:06 A reminder in the Times today that the tightening of rules on immigration by the Home Secfretary will reduce the Chancellor`s `fiscal leadroom` by around £6.5bn as the majority of immigrants contribute more revenue in taxes than the cost of public services they consume. Reply |
| 59. Author: Indiapar1 Date: Mon 28th Sep 2026. 16:26 wee eck, Mon 28 Sept 14:06 Wee Eck I believe they were quoting an OBR figure. There has been some criticism of the way the data is gathered, as ot covers a 5 year period. So the net influx of 350,000 migrants over a 5 year period produced net tax receipts of £6.5 billion. The overall net contribution (taxes paid over services used) appears to be hotly contested. Additionally it depends on the demographic. Highly skilled workers for example, MAC estimates they make a net contribution over their lifetime of £78k or more. MAC estimates a family or care workers could have a net cost of £109k over their lifetime, and low skill low paid workers up to £164k. The OBR assessment methodology attracts criticism because the 5 year period is short term as migrants generally contribute positively over that period, but in later years where they have access to NHS, retirement, other benefits etc. it may have a negative impact particularly if they are low skill workers. It is a very complex calculation as there are many variables to the data gathered and its interpretation. You can`t simply extrapolate 5 years of data over say 50 years. Interestingly, the UN concluded a number of years ago that to maintain the 1996 ratio of one person at state pension age to 4.1 workers funding their pension would require a UK population of 136 million by 2050. This figure considers migration and the compounding effect of those migrants also retiring and claiming pensions. Clearly that is not feasible nor a sensible way forward. Economists in the modern era believe that the way to maintain living standards (GDP per capita) for the UK population are by raising productivity and the pension age. Productivity for example can be achieved via technology improvements, AI etc.pension age is obviously 67 at the moment, but it could rise dependent on the performance of the economy. G Wardrope Reply |
| 60. Author: wee eck Date: Mon 28th Sep 2026. 16:57 It used to be you could rely on anything published in the Times! Excuse my ignorance, but who or what is MAC? Of course some immigrants are net beneficiaries of `the system` and some are net contributors. The same can be said of UK natives. When I was working I`m pretty sure I was a net contributor. Now I`m retired I`m still paying tax but making more use of the NHS so may be a net beneficiary. It used to be everyone accepted this and it was seen as a merit of the UK. Now there seems to be a tendency to distinguish between `givers` and `takers`. We`re becoming more like the USA where they think the NHS is `communism`. Reply |