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41. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
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42. Author: parsfan Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 15:26
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 14:00
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
Empathy is weakness? As in game of thrones?? Jesus Christ on a bike.
You do realise you’ve just done what you’re accusing him of doing? What are you even trying to say?
I’ll be honest, I don’t think you’ve actually thought it through.
So we`re agreed then, anyone who thinks like that must be pretty odious?
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43. Author: buffy Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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44. Author: ipswichpar Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 15:50
Mature students make that a broad church!
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45. Author: buffy Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 16:05
It’s also being reported that it’s unclear whether his wife and children were in attendance. His wife was known to accompany him at events so there may have been a presumption that she, and their children, were there yesterday. Understandable of course but I hope for their sake they weren’t.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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46. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 16:37
Dave : He had been critical of Israel recently.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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47. Author: P Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 16:48
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
Skilled enough to pick the shot out from 200 yards, not bright enough to not leave multiple means of identification. Definitely not a patsy incoming
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48. Author: NMCmassive Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:02
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
COYP
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49. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:10
Bletchley_Par, Thu 11 Sept 15:11
picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
Dearie me.
So when someone tells you who they are, believe them, unless their shirt has some polyester in it.
Not sure what you don`t understand. He picked out the bits of the Bible that fitted his own beliefs, which he claimed were Christian ones. So, for example, not a fan of homosexuality as the bible says a man should not lie with another man. The Bible also says man should not mix wool and linen, yet I didn`t see him campaigning for this particular practice to stop, nor did he abstain from wearing mixed fabric clothing. So that line didn`t apparently matter, but one about two men being together did.
He can hold whatever beliefs he chooses. It`s HIS opinion and HIS beliefs. But let`s not make the excuse that it`s Christian beliefs or values.
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50. Author: jake89 Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:13
buffy, Thu 11 Sept 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
Surely if you`ve managed to plan the murder of someone you`ve also planned to cover your tracks?
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51. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:17
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sep 17:02
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
Just add - nobody knows the motives behind it yet, it is all speculation until someone is caught or more info gathered.
What doesn’t help is the news outlets spouting random theories - the latest being there were multiple bullets with messages on them. FBI/Police haven’t mentioned it - don’t announce it.
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52. Author: NMCmassive Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:30
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 17:17
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sep 17:02
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
Just add - nobody knows the motives behind it yet, it is all speculation until someone is caught or more info gathered.
What doesn’t help is the news outlets spouting random theories - the latest being there were multiple bullets with messages on them. FBI/Police haven’t mentioned it - don’t announce it.
Maybe we have jumped to conclusions but with him being the leading man of Turning point USA it’s kind of obvious why he’d be targeted
COYP
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53. Author: shellypar Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 17:49
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
COYP
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54. Author: Buspasspar Date: Thu 11th Sep 2025. 19:29
Well dot net .. we have a young man lose his life .. left two braw lassie`s without a father .. left a young wife without a husband .. We all have our own ideals and views .. So why oh why does this sad incident have to manipulate into a personal attack on fellow posters .. shame on you all .. Fifers Eh .. Sheesh
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55. Author: desparado Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 08:42
Videos online now of the shooter in position and him running away after the shot.
Similar to the Trump incident.
You would think every roof top would be checked and monitored ……but no..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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56. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 09:50
desparado, Fri 12 Sept 08:42
Videos online now of the shooter in position and him running away after the shot.
Similar to the Trump incident.
You would think every roof top would be checked and monitored ……but no..
Charlie Kirk did debates and talks at college campuses all over the states. I doubt they`d be doing checks to that extent for him. It seems suspicious to me that the guy went to the bother of planning all this but then wore no gloves and then dumped the gun not far from where the shooting happened.
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57. Author: FifeEternal Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 10:07
Did you just assume their genderrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
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58. Author: red-star-par Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 10:19
shellypar, Thu 11 Sept 17:49
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
Aww, seems like I triggered (no pun intended) the dot net Incels. I`m only showing slightly less empathy for his passing than he showed when asked about gun control after the Nashville school shooting. Worth watching the smug, uncaring, mocking tone of him on video as he says “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” maybe showing that video to his wife and kids will give them some comfort.
I did read a good piece on him today by someone called Scott Rickard "Manufactured Martyrdom: Charlie Kirk, Extremist Mobilization, and the Whitewashing of Violence
In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, public discourse has been flooded with tributes portraying him as a principled “debater” and defender of free expression. Such portrayals sanitize and obscure the reality of Kirk’s career: he was not a neutral civic actor but a principal architect of a political culture grounded in harassment, intimidation, and the weaponization of extremist rhetoric.
Journalist and professor Stacey Patton’s viral testimony provides a vivid case study of Kirk’s impact on American academia. In 2024, Patton’s name appeared on Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, a digital database promoted by Kirk as a tool for exposing “radical” faculty. In practice, the list functioned as what Patton described as a “digital hit list” for academics who dared to challenge white supremacy, Christian nationalism, or gun culture. Once her name was published, Patton reports that she was inundated with racial and gendered slurs, threats of violence, and harassment so severe that her university’s security department offered her personal protection (Patton, 2024).
Patton’s experience is not an anomaly. The “Watchlist” cultivated an environment where educators—particularly women, Black faculty, and queer scholars—were systematically targeted for digital harassment campaigns. Some faced death threats, others lost employment opportunities, and many withdrew from public life entirely. This was not incidental fallout; it was the intended effect of Kirk’s political strategy, which relied on the mobilization of grievance politics and intimidation as tools of ideological enforcement (Giroux, 2020; Goldberg, 2023).
Kirk’s role must therefore be situated within a broader pattern of right-wing digital radicalization. Turning Point USA, under his leadership, became a clearinghouse for disinformation and a hub for mobilizing hostile action against perceived ideological enemies. Scholars of digital extremism note that such tactics normalize violence by blurring the boundaries between “debate” and “intimidation,” encouraging followers to equate harassment with civic participation (Daniels, 2018; Miller-Idriss, 2020). Kirk monetized this environment, leveraging outrage to secure political donations and media visibility, while leaving his targets to endure the costs.
Yet, following his death, bipartisan mourning has attempted to recast Kirk as a civil public servant. This rhetorical transformation reveals the asymmetry of political memory: a white male figure who spent years demonizing LGBTQ communities, mocking gun-violence survivors, and amplifying racist tropes about Black Americans is now eulogized as a fallen statesman (Patton, 2024). Such gestures not only erase the trauma of his victims but also reinforce the normalization of extremist politics as part of the democratic mainstream.
The contradiction is stark. While Kirk did not deserve the violence that ended his life, neither did his many victims deserve the harassment, professional sabotage, and fear that his movement unleashed. If Americans are to build a more peaceful and equitable public sphere, we must resist the selective memorialization of figures like Kirk and instead confront the corrosive role of political entrepreneurs who profit from hate. To condemn violence without simultaneously condemning the rhetoric that incubates it is to perpetuate the very cycle of extremism that Kirk himself embodied.
References
Daniels, J. (2018). Cyber Racism: White Supremacy Online and the New Attack on Civil Rights. Rowman & Littlefield.
Giroux, H. A. (2020). Race, Politics, and Pandemic Pedagogy: Education in a Time of Crisis. Bloomsbury Academic.
Goldberg, J. (2023). Hatemonger: Populism, Authoritarianism, and the New Politics of Resentment. HarperCollins.
Miller-Idriss, C. (2020). Hate in the Homeland: The New Global Far Right. Princeton University Press.
Patton, S. (2024). Facebook Post, October 2024."
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59. Author: shellypar Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 10:51
red-star-par, Fri 12 Sept 10:19
shellypar, Thu 11 Sept 17:49
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
Aww, seems like I triggered (no pun intended) the dot net Incels. I`m only showing slightly less empathy for his passing than he showed when asked about gun control after the Nashville school shooting. Worth watching the smug, uncaring, mocking tone of him on video as he says “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” maybe showing that video to his wife and kids will give them some comfort.
I did read a good piece on him today by someone called Scott Rickard "Manufactured Martyrdom: Charlie Kirk, Extremist Mobilization, and the Whitewashing of Violence
In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, public discourse has been flooded with tributes portraying him as a principled “debater” and defender of free expression. Such portrayals sanitize and obscure the reality of Kirk’s career: he was not a neutral civic actor but a principal architect of a political culture grounded in harassment, intimidation, and the weaponization of extremist rhetoric.
Journalist and professor Stacey Patton’s viral testimony provides a vivid case study of Kirk’s impact on American academia. In 2024, Patton’s name appeared on Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, a digital database promoted by Kirk as a tool for exposing “radical” faculty. In practice, the list functioned as what Patton described as a “digital hit list” for academics who dared to challenge white supremacy, Christian nationalism, or gun culture. Once her name was published, Patton reports that she was inundated with racial and gendered slurs, threats of violence, and harassment so severe that her university’s security department offered her personal protection (Patton, 2024).
Patton’s experience is not an anomaly. The “Watchlist” cultivated an environment where educators—particularly women, Black faculty, and queer scholars—were systematically targeted for digital harassment campaigns. Some faced death threats, others lost employment opportunities, and many withdrew from public life entirely. This was not incidental fallout; it was the intended effect of Kirk’s political strategy, which relied on the mobilization of grievance politics and intimidation as tools of ideological enforcement (Giroux, 2020; Goldberg, 2023).
Kirk’s role must therefore be situated within a broader pattern of right-wing digital radicalization. Turning Point USA, under his leadership, became a clearinghouse for disinformation and a hub for mobilizing hostile action against perceived ideological enemies. Scholars of digital extremism note that such tactics normalize violence by blurring the boundaries between “debate” and “intimidation,” encouraging followers to equate harassment with civic participation (Daniels, 2018; Miller-Idriss, 2020). Kirk monetized this environment, leveraging outrage to secure political donations and media visibility, while leaving his targets to endure the costs.
Yet, following his death, bipartisan mourning has attempted to recast Kirk as a civil public servant. This rhetorical transformation reveals the asymmetry of political memory: a white male figure who spent years demonizing LGBTQ communities, mocking gun-violence survivors, and amplifying racist tropes about Black Americans is now eulogized as a fallen statesman (Patton, 2024). Such gestures not only erase the trauma of his victims but also reinforce the normalization of extremist politics as part of the democratic mainstream.
The contradiction is stark. While Kirk did not deserve the violence that ended his life, neither did his many victims deserve the harassment, professional sabotage, and fear that his movement unleashed. If Americans are to build a more peaceful and equitable public sphere, we must resist the selective memorialization of figures like Kirk and instead confront the corrosive role of political entrepreneurs who profit from hate. To condemn violence without simultaneously condemning the rhetoric that incubates it is to perpetuate the very cycle of extremism that Kirk himself embodied.
References
Daniels, J. (2018). Cyber Racism: White Supremacy Online and the New Attack on Civil Rights. Rowman & Littlefield.
Giroux, H. A. (2020). Race, Politics, and Pandemic Pedagogy: Education in a Time of Crisis. Bloomsbury Academic.
Goldberg, J. (2023). Hatemonger: Populism, Authoritarianism, and the New Politics of Resentment. HarperCollins.
Miller-Idriss, C. (2020). Hate in the Homeland: The New Global Far Right. Princeton University Press.
Patton, S. (2024). Facebook Post, October 2024."
U didnt trigger anyone mate, ur just a nob, and i aint reading all that lil bro
Now be a goooood boyyyy and be silent
COYP
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60. Author: Rusty Shackleford Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 11:05
That`s a pathetic post Shelly > please stay off threads with serious subject matters if that`s your contribution.
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