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Topic: Charlie Kirk (D)
61. Author: jake89 Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 12:04 See, this is the problem. Someone makes a comment, someone else attempts to engage and debate and the response is "shut up". It`s like debating with a pigeon. Reply
62. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 13:44 The murderer has been caught. According to Trump his father persuaded him to give himself up. So much for all these idiots online showing off their so called expertise that this must have been a professional assassination. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply
63. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 13:49 The One Who Knocks, Fri 12 Sep 13:44 The murderer has been caught. According to Trump his father persuaded him to give himself up. So much for all these idiots online showing off their so called expertise that this must have been a professional assassination. Idiots are going to idiot. It is still an assassination, you just need to remember that Americans always push the boat out and add unnecessary adjectives COYP Reply
64. Author: shellypar Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 13:56 Rusty Shackleford, Fri 12 Sept 11:05 That`s a pathetic post Shelly > please stay off threads with serious subject matters if that`s your contribution. Pahahaha ok then bud hahahahhaa COYP Reply
65. Author: buffy Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 13:59 I don’t understand the grandstanding for this man. He was, in all fairness, a TikTok influencer who spoke at events. If he was as important to the republican movement as is being played out then they failed to protect him. The flight home on Airforce 2, the order of half mast flags, “he was like a son” said DJT, and now an open casket to mourn has been suggested. ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply
66. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 14:00 Redstar - you’re falling into the same trap as everyone else that dismisses murder because it somehow aligns with their politics. When your sources for justification of a murder are all left wing professors/MSNBC & CNN commentators etc etc would it be worth asking the question, am I allowing a political position to be more important than the fundamentals of what is right and what is wrong? Let’s say David Packman was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss? COYP Reply
67. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 14:52 The fact people cant debate the issue at hand without falling out shows the level of this forum. Calling for use of Air Force 2 and Medal of Freedom etc is Trump trying to politicise Kirks name. He’s using him as a Martyr. Reply
68. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 15:32 buffy, Fri 12 Sep 13:59 I don’t understand the grandstanding for this man. He was, in all fairness, a TikTok influencer who spoke at events. If he was as important to the republican movement as is being played out then they failed to protect him. The flight home on Airforce 2, the order of half mast flags, “he was like a son” said DJT, and now an open casket to mourn has been suggested. There’s no doubt he was important for that republican campaign but I agree, they go over the top and it looks like grandstanding COYP Reply
69. Author: SusieQ Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 15:51 Quite simply he`s a Trump ally. Trump blames anything negative on Joe Biden & his constant rhetoric is that the Democrats are to blame for everything. He stokes the flames of political violence with his claims to the point where someone has now been caught up in that simply for supporting him. America is utterly screwed with him in charge, and the rest of us aren`t faring too well either! COME ON YE PARS! Reply
70. Author: wee eck Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 16:28 Until Wednesday I`d never heard of Charlie Kirk. Now, having read up on his views and how he went about expressing them, I`d have to say I find most of them quite odious. That`s not a valid reason for assassinating him but I can understand how it might have motivated somebody to take that course of action. He knew how to utilise social media to his advantage but must have been aware of the risks involved in doing so. In that respect I`d say he was to some extent the architect of his own downfall. Reply
71. Author: AdamAntsParsStripe Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 16:32 wee eck, Fri 12 Sep 16:28 Until Wednesday I`d never heard of Charlie Kirk. Now, having read up on his views and how he went about expressing them, I`d have to say I find most of them quite odious. That`s not a valid reason for assassinating him but I can understand how it might have motivated somebody to take that course of action. He knew how to utilise social media to his advantage but must have been aware of the risks involved in doing so. In that respect I`d say he was to some extent the architect of his own downfall. The irony is that someone like Tommy Robinson would have most likely have been taken out if we had the same slack gun laws America has amongst many others but he’d welcome the same. Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte Reply
72. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 17:20 SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 15:51 Quite simply he`s a Trump ally. Trump blames anything negative on Joe Biden & his constant rhetoric is that the Democrats are to blame for everything. He stokes the flames of political violence with his claims to the point where someone has now been caught up in that simply for supporting him. America is utterly screwed with him in charge, and the rest of us aren`t faring too well either! To me that’s far to simplistic. There’s always been something in America (que Razorlight) Actually done a bit of AI research. Between 1980 and 2013 there were 1,199 politically motivated acts of violence connected to American politics. (I’ll copy and paste the answer if anyone wants to see it) Basically I’m working that out to an average of 36ish a year, for 33 years before trump had been active in politics. COYP Reply
73. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 17:32 Amazing how we are not to blame the victim unless it suits our prejudices. COYP Reply
74. Author: SusieQ Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 17:52 Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic. I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol! Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least! 🤔🤔 COME ON YE PARS! Reply
75. Author: Buspasspar Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 19:23 In our lifetime I think we believe what we want to believe We will not listen to or accept anything that is contradictory to our beliefs But we will accept a lie if it augments our belief and shun a truth if it doesn`t We are forever shaped by the Children we once were Reply
76. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 19:48 SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 17:52 Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic. I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol! Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least! 🤔🤔 The reason the list hasn’t came out is because they’re all on it. Democrats and republicans. It’s the same in the UK. The people who link between Epstein and Saville… the British Royal Family COYP Reply
77. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 19:49 Buspasspar, Fri 12 Sep 19:23 In our lifetime I think we believe what we want to believe We will not listen to or accept anything that is contradictory to our beliefs But we will accept a lie if it augments our belief and shun a truth if it doesn`t I think that’s true for lots of people unfortunately. We get tied to our beliefs COYP Reply
78. Author: Dandy Warhol Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 20:26 NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 19:48 SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 17:52 Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic. I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol! Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least! 🤔🤔 The reason the list hasn’t came out is because they’re all on it. Democrats and republicans. It’s the same in the UK. The people who link between Epstein and Saville… the British Royal Family This, it`s all of them. I don`t wanna go down like disco. Reply
79. Author: red-star-par Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 20:32 NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 14:00 Redstar - you’re falling into the same trap as everyone else that dismisses murder because it somehow aligns with their politics. When your sources for justification of a murder are all left wing professors/MSNBC & CNN commentators etc etc would it be worth asking the question, am I allowing a political position to be more important than the fundamentals of what is right and what is wrong? Let’s say David Packman was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss? I don`t really have much of a view on American politics, other than how disappointing it is that people have allowed themselves to be influenced so much that they either see themselves as staunchly right wing or left wing and they won`t allow themselves to even attempt to listen to the other side or consider other ideas, or compromise to accept other well thought out positions. It`s exactly what the people who really run America want. Even more than most countries it has the illusion of democracy. Little rich kids like Charlie Kirk are getting richer by influencing people that aren`t intelligent enough to know they are being played. I couldn`t find a David Packman but did find a David Pakman, couldn`t really see much in the way of controversial or inflammatory statements from him though, nothing that would make some wee incel try to kill him. I would probably still dismiss that as no great loss too, at the end of the day, I don`t know him, and I have experienced plenty real loss, people that I have loved, so the death of people I don`t know doesn`t mean that much to me. Also, every day plenty good innocent people are being killed in school shootings and war zones and those are the sort of deaths I do feel sad about, not those that seek to preach hatred and division like Charlie Kirk. People like him on both sides of the political spectrum can continue to be sidelined as far as I`m concerned. As a side note, what`s with the two guys standing behind him doing the strange hand signals before he got shot? Takes the heat off Trump for these Epstein files that Kirk has been wanting released. Trump has probably gained most by this, very convenient Reply
80. Author: NMCmassive Date: Fri 12th Sep 2025. 21:08 Great! Now you’ve got more of a reference for my question regarding Pakman! Even better that you both seem to share a lot of the same political views/beliefs etc So hypothetically, let’s say David was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss? COYP Reply

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