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| 261. Author: PARadise Date: Fri 11th Oct 2024. 15:13 Would seem Mcpake is chasing a disaster Reply |
| 262. Author: McCaig`s Tower Date: Fri 11th Oct 2024. 19:34 There’s a saying in business something along the lines of “if the people won’t change, change the people”. I always thought this was one of those glib phrases that middle management loved to quote in lieu of doing any actual managing but as with most cliches there is a kernel of truth. The cult of the manager (or head coach??) in football must seem bizarre (if not actually insane) to newcomers to the industry. So much is invested in the one, often relatively inexperienced, individual who typically comes as a package with at least one assistant and maybe a coach or two. all of whom are likely to be binned for some reason or another within a couple of years, and often whilst you are still paying off the last lot. Given your management team may be regarded as one of the club’s biggest risks, you would hope that a decent amount of due diligence would be done before appointing them, yet often bad choices are made and you can’t help but wonder why. Possibly the view is that if you roll the die often enough you are bound to get a 6 sooner or later. Once appointed then the board must have a duty to try to get the best out of their staff – this should involve providing them with the resources (usually players), the support and training that they need. It would be quite easy to come up with a dozen or more areas where performance could be measured (some more important than others). If a manager were struggling in any area (particularly results on the pitch) you would hope that assistance would be provided, be it financial or personal, with advice or training, or by reallocating tasks. But there is a risk that your management team wastes their budget on a pile of duds, and this queers the pitch for their successors. You can understand why particular care may be taken in transfer dealings. I often think that some managers are over-rated (and the opposite is true also) as not enough attention is paid to external factors. John Hughes and George Farm each won a Scottish Cup, but were they that good, or did they get lucky? Of course, sometimes unreasonable demands are made, particularly over timescales (and this is a function of the structure of Scottish Football). I wonder how the likes of Mourinho, Clough, SAF, Moyes etc would get on with some of the jobs in Scottish football. They’d probably be given short shrift (I think they’ve all been emptied at some point in their careers). It also seems likely that different skill-sets are required to manage in different circumstances – such as a successful team with a big budget that is playing well, or a team that is struggling, or playing in a lower division. I think we saw this with AJ – picked as he had a track record of achieving promotion from tier 3, less good at challenging in tier 2. A turnaround specialist may be inappropriate once the ship is sailing in the right direction. Post Edited (Fri 11 Oct 19:35) Reply |
| 263. Author: McCaig`s Tower Date: Fri 11th Oct 2024. 19:37 To an extent McPake has achieved what he was asked – I think it is a matter of record his first task was to win games of football. He did. I assume the next item on his “to do” list was to win promotion, then to consolidate in the championship, which he just about managed, despite a horrendous injury list. I would like to think he has been asked to make progress. This is where the jury is out. Can he produce a winning and entertaining team? Can he produce either? What needs to change to make it happen and who`s paying? Reply |
| 264. Author: pars4life1 Date: Fri 11th Oct 2024. 19:55 `To an extent McPake has achieved what he was asked – I think it is a matter of record his first task was to win games of football. He did. I assume the next item on his “to do” list was to win promotion, then to consolidate in the championship, which he just about managed, despite a horrendous injury list` Tasks given to him by a weak as **** boardroom who were willing to accept **** standards. Hopefully once we see a change there then he`ll be judged by proper standards, standards he`ll fail, but we`ve got to sit around and wait on folk that shouldn`t ever have been involved in the club making a decision on who should be given control. PST and their board need severe questioning, they were given a hell of a lot of money to help save the club and secure the 25% stake in the club, but they gave that up to a bunch of charlatans without ever consulting the fan base. Somethings fucked about that. Reply |
| 265. Author: k76 Date: Fri 11th Oct 2024. 20:08 If we do end up replacing McPake which is very doubtful short term, I would be looking at Tidser. Got Kelty top of league 1 without the funding of the previous owner. Reply |
| 266. Author: GG Riva Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 09:19 Duplicate post.  Not your average Sunday League player. Post Edited (Sat 12 Oct 09:23) Reply |
| 267. Author: GG Riva Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 09:22 pars4life1, Fri 11 Oct 19:55 Has it occurred to you that perhaps the outgoing investors have not delivered on the promises and guarantees they gave when they came in? Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 268. Author: pars4life1 Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 09:50 `Has it occurred to you that perhaps the outgoing investors have not delivered on the promises and guarantees they gave when they came in?` I`m certain of it. They have lied since day 1. Reply |
| 269. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 10:04 What do you think their motive was in getting involved with the Pars? Post Edited (Sat 12 Oct 10:48) Reply |
| 270. Author: red-star-par Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 10:46 wee eck, Sat 12 Oct 10:04 That`s a really interesting question Wee Eck, something I have often pondered. Until recently I was right behind the investment group, I had done a bit of research into their individual backgrounds and they all seemed like respectable and responsible people in their field, they probably still are despite the poorly worded statement when they took the huff. I think they had a vision in mind of how they would shape the whole ethos of the club and it`s fans and expect us to all get right behind it. Possibly they thought they could turn us into a mini St Pauli. The idea of the Academy and training ground is a good one, and we are seeing some decent young players coming through it now. It feels like they wanted to go with a very small squad of experienced players, which would allow these young players to be introduced. I do have a feeling that they were probably not too worried about which division we were in, it might have actually helped if we were in League 1 to give the youngsters the chance to develop. I do think they underestimated the patience of the fans, people these days don`t want a 10 year plan, they want instant success without the groundwork, they want other people to be splashing their cash. I also think they underestimated how much it costs to run a club. I think they had a vision, but didn`t communicate it correctly to get the fans on board, that`s where they failed. I feel let down that they didn`t have the commitment to see it through Reply |
| 271. Author: wee eck Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 10:52 That pretty much sums up my own feelings, r-s-p. Reply |
| 272. Author: Berkey Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 11:55 That’s feels about right red star. The fans don’t expect immediate success at championship level, they just expected us to punch at our own weight. The mistakes that were made in not producing a better product on the pitch were not the making of the board. The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity! Reply |
| 273. Author: GG Riva Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 12:39 pars4life1, Sat 12 Oct 09:50 Ah,your earlier post seems to imply that you think that those who allowed the investors to buy into the Pars were to blame, but if they failed to keep the promises given, how can that be the fault of the PST and BoD when they cam in? Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 274. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 13:22 Saying it now - today was the final chance. He needs to go. Reply |
| 275. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 13:23 jake89, Sat 12 Oct 13:22 But he wont go…..remember, we are looking for a big cup run this year 😃 Reply |
| 276. Author: Bannockburn Par Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 13:25 The fans need to make their feelings felt. We need a new manager, time is up on Mcfail. Reply |
| 277. Author: DA-go Par Adonis Date: Sat 12th Oct 2024. 13:29 I`m in the new manager camp, but if today is his final chance, probably wait until full time rather than 20 minutes in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet, He's gonna pay for everyone this season. Reply |
| 278. Author: pars4life1 Date: Sun 13th Oct 2024. 10:59 GG I said they needed questioning, I don`t blame them nearly as much as GBMH. Questions like why give the club up without written in stone guarantees, things like making sure funding was there for a training ground, a proper training ground, not an Astro pitch and portocabins. Did they just trust that GBMH would follow through with their promises? Also why did everything get signed off without any fan consultation? The whole point of PST getting 25% was so we`d be protected from ownership just coming in and doing whatever the hell they wanted. I know why GBMH wouldn`t want things put out in public and scrutinised and insisting on that may have put and end to their investment. But if someone doesn`t want scrutinised that`s exactly why they should be. That`s not to say things would have been any different, a lot of people got excited when the sale happened, and we`ve seen with Dundee that fans will vote to give up their share, but also with Motherwell that they will turn it down too. As for why GmbH are here? I don`t know, they have been quite cagey when that question was asked. They talked of us being a community club and how that was important in their decision to come. But I think they thought we were like some twee little club who everyone just likes getting together to watch football and whilst it`s nice to win that`s not the important part. They were entirely wrong with that. They also talked about wanting to change how things are done in football and I think that was trying to have clubs playing youth players, and where nobody cheated and everyone just has a jolly good time win or lose, which is ridiculously naive. Reply |
| 279. Author: Socks Date: Sun 13th Oct 2024. 11:39 That`s pretty close to my own view. I was one of the minority on this forum at the time who was doubtful about it, and the key question has always been about why they came in the first place. At the time I mentioned the Anelka situation at the Rovers, where someone with no understanding of Scottish football came in thinking they were coming to some hopeless league and could make a success of bringing in players who had only ever played 7-a-side football in France. Our situation is not on the same level of stupidity as that was, but I do think there are parallels. I think both situations came about because someone thought they were getting into some diddy wee league where their grand visions would be embraced by an adoring public and would lead to success, however that be defined. And probably did think that because it wasn`t a top league in Europe there would be less pressure and fans not as desperate to win as they`d been used to in Germany. I also mentioned at the time that I was disappointed at the lack of scrutiny by many, who seemed delighted by it. Given that it was only 7 years after our last brush with disaster at the end of the Masterton regime, I was surprised by that. I too was disappointed that the PST just voluntarily accepted that the safeguard against a Masterton situation would be revoked. I`d had membership on and off in the past, but decided then that I never would again. I was also surprised that most seemd happy when the `true sportsmanship` thing came out. I thought it was a lot of utter nonsense from the first moment I read it. I read it again a few weeks ago and noticed that accountability is a key value listed - strange how they now don`t seem to be so keen on that one. The manager absolutely should be questioned, but the ownership group should be questioned more. Reply |
| 280. Author: GG Riva Date: Sun 13th Oct 2024. 20:21 pars4life1, Sun 13 Oct 10:59 Thanks for clarifying, pars4life1. My understanding is that GmbH came in good faith and had lots of ideas and proposals that chimed with the previous custodians` aspirations for our club. Factor in that the incoming investors weren`t short of a few bob (11 millionaires AND a billionaire) and you can well understand why our old BoD and the PST were excited and eager to bring GmbH in. Sadly, for all concerned, it hasn`t turned out the way we all hoped it would. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
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