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| 141. Author: da_no_1 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 09:03 Back to reality you say? We are in the middle of a change of ownership so expecting the manager to be bulleted anytime soon is unrealistic and demanding it repeatedly on a football forum is just stupid. "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 09:04) Reply |
| 142. Author: da_no_1 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 09:10 Berkey, Tue 8 Oct 08:40 And we`re told it`s wee Eck who deliberately tries to start arguments? "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Reply |
| 143. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 09:33 `And the best one is the "remember all those injuries" one that still gets wheeled out every once in a while.` There seems to be a campaign to airbrush these injuries out of our history. I recall most fans were quite concerned when we were suffering that spate of injuries. I wonder how many of those screaming for McPake`s demise expected us to be relegated last season? Reply |
| 144. Author: Raymie the Legend Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 09:37 It’s very, very unlikely that the owners will stump up the cash needed to pay off the management team. Even if they were to, what manager would want to take the job knowing that there are new owners coming in at some point in the near future? By all means, let’s discuss the performances of the team, but to keep bleating on about sacking the manager is waste of time, imo  It`s bloody tough being a legend Ron Atkinson - 1983 Reply |
| 145. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:09 wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 09:33 Nobody is trying to airbrush them but your right they are history. We need to moved on although the team are still not capable at this level which has shown yet again by battling it out at the bottom of the league. We can`t keep blaming injuries and unfortunately we need to call it for what it is which is lack of ability. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 146. Author: da_no_1 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:14 Who`s blaming injuries for this seasons form out of interest? Certainly not any members of the "champions of mediocrity" society. "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 10:14) Reply |
| 147. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:17 Folk keep quoting McPake`s stats against him. That`s history too and they include the results when we were struggling to put a decent team on the park. I don`t think anyone`s blaming injuries for where we are just now. The board`s decision to withhold funds for the playing budget in the early part of the transfer window didn`t help though. Reply |
| 148. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:25 wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 10:17 Neither did signing players who can`t compete at this level on new deals. As a manager you live and die by your signings and he hasn`t improved the team since he has been here. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 149. Author: Bucuresti Par Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:40 In order to discuss the performance of the team, you need to discuss the performance of the management. I`d argue this is exactly the place to moan about the manager, especially if it saves people doing in the stadium which is never helpful to anyone. It is a fair question to continue to discuss/debate. Can we afford to sack McPake? Can also be re-worded - Can we afford to stick with him? Crowds will drop and our form only suggests at best at relegation battle. Is there much evidence that he is able to improve results and performances? Not for me, sadly. It`s his team, he has long enough to build it and it doesn`t perform. Reply |
| 150. Author: Berkey Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:50 I don’t think anyone is saying this isn’t mcpakes fault? These are his players and his team and has been set up and plays the way he wants it. We can only partially blame the board for lack of investment, after all the bench still had wighton o’hallaran and chalmers on it at the start of the season, it’s just the money mcpake has had has been poorly used. In particular with contracts to players who he inherited. The buck stops with mcpake, what happens if we are bottom come Jan, is there more money made available for recruits then we have to see if it makes a difference while previously heralded good signings by management are relegated to the bench after making zero impact? Where do you draw the line? It’s just not been good enough. The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity! Reply |
| 151. Author: parathletic Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 10:51 wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 10:17 On average a footballer gets injured twice a season and we used 30 players last season-did we have 60 injuries? We may well have done, but I don`t think so. We didn`t have a strong enough squad at the start of the season to cope and I`m not giving my opinion with the benefit of hindsight.I thought we lacked an experienced head or two before a ball was kicked. I remember Peter Grant getting the dreaded vote of confidence and bad luck with injuries were used as an excuse.Our preparations for every season under these owners has been poor imo.The question is, therefore, is the manager getting the best out of what he has available to him, and that`s a no from me.Some of the players have regressed and I haven`t seen a lot of improvement elsewhere. Reply |
| 152. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 11:44 `On average a footballer gets injured twice a season and we used 30 players last season-did we have 60 injuries? We may well have done, but I don`t think so.` That`s a very simplistic way of assessing the effect of injuries. It doesn`t take account of the nature of the injury, the length of the lay-off or the positions affected. I recall just after the turn of the year we had around 8 players who were out for a month of more with injuries and they included three of our regular centre backs, Bene, Fisher and Breen, as well as Comrie who sometimes played in that position as cover for the others. The term `unprecedented` which was used to describe the incidence of injuries around that time wasn`t used lightly. We went 9 games without a win between mid-December and mid-February and there were plenty forecasting relegation. We picked up with a win at Firhill in late February which was the start of a decent run as some of the injured players returned and the squad benefited from some astute loan signings. Of course this was accepted as normal, despite the pessimistic forecasts, and McPake got little credit for it. In fact, he got criticised by some for not making the promotion play-offs. Reply |
| 153. Author: parathletic Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 12:14 Even after the turn of the year with players coming back and the transfer window open we won 5 of our last 19 league games. As I mentioned above we used 30 players, the division average was 28.1 so other teams were suffering from injuries, too. The record now stands at 6 wins from 27 league games this year scoring 26 and conceding 38-in 12 of the games we haven`t scored. `The term unprecedented wasn`t used lightly` except that the board used injuries as an excuse the last time we were in the division? Reply |
| 154. Author: weemike Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 12:18 He got criticism and rightly so after morton 5-0 and QP 3-0 both at home, which were an abomination. 2 of the worst performances I`ve seen at EEP. That set the alarm bells off for me. Add to that the two home defeats to part-time lower league teams when we are almost full strength after pre season (in which a Forfar player commented on our fitness levels or lack thereof) and the alarm bells are louder. I`m afraid the manager has been found wanting. Reply |
| 155. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 12:30 I think you`re just looking for an argument, mike. Reply |
| 156. Author: onandupthepars Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 14:09 Oh no he`s not. Oh yes he is. etc. 😊 Reply |
| 157. Author: onandupthepars Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 14:14 Whatever we think of the squad`s deficiencies, I think we`d be doing OK if Tobi and Matty weren`t injured. So it`s not all about injuries or the standard of our players, it`s degrees of each and I think Tobi and Matty out, plus the loss ( a significant loss) of Josh, has been enough to tip us from being OK to not OK. Those three players in form, plus Bene in form and a few other details would have made us a lot lot better. Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:22) Reply |
| 158. Author: cammypar 1995 Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 14:27 Mcpake said on more than one occasion last year we weren`t using injuries as an excuse for the defeats. We have been full strength more often than not this season albeit the early stages not having a back up Keeper (manager or BOD choice ) we have been well off it. These are the managers players with no players that he hasn`t given extensions too if he didn`t sign them, and they are not up to the task. Evidence of this can be seen in the table. c'mon the pars Reply |
| 159. Author: Rusty Shackleford Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 14:31 I have a number of competing thoughts: 1. McPake has no doubt made mistakes with contract extensions - the most obvious being Mehmet - which has had a negative impact on budgets. 2. He`s also naturally pragmatic/cautious. 3. So are our soon-to-be-ex-owners. That`s quite a toxic combination when things aren`t going well. 4. The injury situation was simply awful for a huge chunk of last year and it does no-one any credit to play it down. It was just the most awful situation I can recall seeing since I started watching in 1988. 5. He deserves credit for getting out of League 1 with one defeat. 6. But he`s also presided over some all-timers in terms of performances and defeats. Not quite Hafnafjordor in Perth levels of despair but some of our performances and results at home have been stinking. 7. I think he`s really suffered with losing progressive/difference-making players to injury at crappy times. Todd, KRH and to a lesser extent Otoo have had their development hampered by injury. There`s so little between the teams in this league that we could be in a fundamentally different place with even a little bit more luck. Laterally Tobi as well. 8. Calling folk happy clappers or willing to accept mediocrity is terrible patter. Is he still or was he ever the right guy for the job? Maybe not. Increasingly looking like a probably not situation. Is a change in management a silver bullet? Try asking Raith that. Is going for one of the fashionable next-big-thing bosses a silver bullet? Try asking Airdrie that. It`s really, really difficult. Running a football club is a nightmare. Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:32) Reply |
| 160. Author: onandupthepars Date: Tue 8th Oct 2024. 14:42 Regarding Deniz - if I remember right he`d been in excellent form for a good while when he got the extension. It didn`t seem a bad idea at the time. I think we`ve got good enough players, but some haven`t been here long. We`ve not had a settled team - one where you know more or less what the team sheet will be, and it`s just a case of an occasional swap, due to injury or suspension. McPake has got it right sometimes, and the players have gelled sometimes. They can do it, but we need it more consistently. Settled team, consistency. McPake to see out the season and then look at options. I recommend reading Chris Hamilton`s write-up, it`s encouraging: `Captain Reflects on Hard-Fought Draw` https://dafc.co.uk/captain-reflects-on-hard-fought-draw/ Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:53) Reply |
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