Topic: Israel must stop |
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21. Author: jake89 Date: Sat 11th May 2024. 09:30 "Oh no, they keep buying weapons from us to do bad things. If only there was something we could do to stop this? Stop selling weapons? Don`t be daft." Reply |
22. Author: GG Riva Date: Mon 13th May 2024. 06:57 Gary Lineker articulates how most sensible people feel about this horrendous human tragedy. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gary-lineker-tears-says-i-9279815 I doubt the BBC will suspend him again. It`s hardly controversial. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
23. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Mon 13th May 2024. 09:20 GG Riva, Mon 13 May 06:57 The BBC may not, but can guarantee he’s being wildly attacked by the right wing rent a gobs on Twitter demanding his sacking etc etc. Reply |
24. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Mon 13th May 2024. 12:59 Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life" . Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there’s no way this is true. Reply |
25. Author: Parboiled Date: Mon 13th May 2024. 14:02 He should stick to blethering about VAR with his fellow footie deep thinking intellectuals. Reply |
26. Author: OzPar Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 03:22 Topic Originator: Tad Allagash Date: Mon 13 May 12:59 Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life". Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there`s no way this is true. === What have you seen that is worse than what is occurring today in Gaza? I was born in 1954, and this is the worst thing I have seen. Genocides like those in Biafra, Cambodia, and Rwanda primarily occurred out of sight of our media. We grasped the extent of the killings only after the events. Today, the technology is there to live-stream every atrocity into our living rooms, with the highlights transmitted in two-minute bites on TikTok for millions to devour on their telephones later. Much is said about how the events in Gaza will create a new generation of Hamas fighters seeking revenge for the loss of family members. That is probably true, but my more immediate concern is when many of those IDF fighters you see on TV blowing up buildings and firing indiscriminately into crowds return home to our countries and their jobs in the hearts of our cities. I find it hard to believe that these evil rabid dogs, who one minute are capable of clubbing to death unarmed civilians, firing rockets into the living rooms of Gazan families, or shooting kids in bread queues, can suddenly transform back into mild-mannered civil servants or accountants, or teachers, on their return to Glasgow or Edinburgh or even Dunfermline after serving their terms of duty for another nation in the Israeli Defence Force. Rather than putting all our focus on the contents of a few small boats off our shores, we should acknowledge that multiple mass murderers are walking unhindered through passport control every day at airports off El Al flights with seemingly no proper checks and balances in place. How long before something triggers one of these vile creatures in our midst, and evil suddenly visits us? Post Edited (Tue 14 May 04:30) Reply |
27. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 11:02 OzPar, Tue 14 May 03:22 You missed out Yugoslavia Oz, a European slaughter house!😮💨 Reply |
28. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 12:05 Parboiled, Mon 13 May 14:02 OK, I`ll bite. Lineker is a former footballer so all his brains are in his feet, right? He should therefore not be entitled to express an opinion on any subject other than football and if he does it should be discounted on the grounds that he is extremely thick. Gotcha. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us on the illustrious career you enjoyed so we can pass similarly stereotypical judgements about which areas of expertise you may be permitted to pontificate about..... 🙄 Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
29. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 12:11 Tad Allagash, Mon 13 May 12:59 I`m beginning to think you and Parboiled are two cheeks...... How can you possibly know what the worst thing that Gary Lineker, or any other individual, has seen is? Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
30. Author: jake89 Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 12:30 I`d be interested in what people do for a living as I assume they are only knowledgeable about their job and nothing more. Reply |
31. Author: Parboiled Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 13:14 My career was one I cannot disclose for security reasons. This incognitoness is a cross I must bear… Perhaps if I was on the telly every week I too would have millions of folk to preach to Reply |
32. Author: OzPar Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 13:22 Yes, you are correct, Lochgelly. I overlooked the Balkans conflict. It was indeed a slaughterhouse. We should not forget that it prompted a sharp and effective military intervention from Western forces. Where are those same forces today? And where is the humanitarian intervention that is so necessary to stop the killings? It is tasteless to make comparisons when we are talking about human lives, but even at its worst, the Srebrenica Massacre claimed 7,800 victims. In contrast, Gaza already sits at least five times that currently. Reply |
33. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 14:58 Parboiled, Tue 14 May 13:14 🤣😂🤣 Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
34. Author: wee eck Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 16:09 It`s OK to buy a TV channel or create one of your own if you you want to get your point of view across of course. The common factor in all these conflicts is the contemptuous value put on human life. Collateral damage to life and limb of innocent civilians is viewed by the perpetrators as unavoidable and acceptable. Reply |
35. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 19:06 “How can you possibly know what the worst thing that Gary Lineker, or any other individual, has seen is?” Well Lineker had plenty to say about Rwanda, so I know he has heard of it. And as Lineker is one of our most learned, erudite, scholarly, heavyweight public intellectuals, I’m sure he did his research and is familiar with its history. Reply |
36. Author: GG Riva Date: Tue 14th May 2024. 19:58 Tad Allagash, Tue 14 May 19:06 He did use the word "seen", not "heard." And as Oz explained, we didn`t watch TV pictures of the Rwanda genocide tragedy, as we currently do with Gaza. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
37. Author: Tad Allagash Date: Wed 15th May 2024. 01:02 ‘we didn`t watch TV pictures of the Rwanda genocide tragedy…’ Yes we did. Take a look on YouTube at: ‘Rwanda Emergency DEC Appeal, Helen Mirren, 1994, ITV News’ Helen Mirren also presented a petition to John Major demanding that he act to stop the genocide and led a vigil in Trafalgar Square. John Major and Bill Clinton were well aware but turned a blind eye. Reply |
38. Author: OzPar Date: Wed 15th May 2024. 02:57 Christ almighty! Let`s not argue over minor, utterly unimportant details about how much TV coverage there was of a tragedy 30 years ago. Focus on the EVIL that is occurring right now, and for God`s sake, stand up and fight for justice for the women and children being killed in Rafah as I type this. 98% of Israelis approve of what is going on in Gaza. This demonstrates that it is a sick society that needs to be tackled directly. We cannot sit by and watch this genocide occur doing nothing. For starters, boycott Israel in every possible way you can. There is much that our political leaders can and should do, and we should remind them of this. Reply |
39. Author: GG Riva Date: Wed 15th May 2024. 06:07 Tad Allagash, Wed 15 May 01:02 You seem to want to indulge in petty points scoring, Tad. The TV pictures of the Gaza conflict beamed into our homes on a daily basis are the worst I`ve ever seen, and I`m older than Lineker. Horrible though the images from Ukraine are, those in Gaza are on another level. My memories of the civil wars in Rwanda and Yugoslavia have perhaps been dimmed by time, but let`s not get sidetracked from the real issue of here and now. Millions of civilians are going through absolute hell. No food, no water, no electricity, no shelter, and all the while being bombarded by an arsenal of weapons provided by Western powers who are distancing themselves of any responsibility by wringing their hypocritical hands. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
40. Author: red-star-par Date: Wed 15th May 2024. 20:20 I can`t really understand people like Tad Allagash, must be an absolute shell of a human being, devoid of any compassion. What Israel are doing is inhuman. Over the last couple of days I have seen on X, Israeli settlers hijack food trucks destined for humanitarian aid and then rejoice in the destruction of the food. I seen a video of what initially appeared to be a doctor holding a child`s face, and then felt the revulsion when it dawned on me what I was seeing was that the face was like a mask, and he was placing it back on the smashed head before zipping up the body bag. Ive not seen anything worse. I`ve been incredibly disappointed by the reaction of the UK Government, but not surprised. I have also been shocked at the rhetoric coming out from normal Israelis and Jewish people worldwide. They will have to reap what they sow Reply |