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| 1. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 14:52 Not a great morning in the Middle East with hundreds of deaths and now thousands of civilian injuries. Can only see this getting worse and escalating massively over the coming days. Post Edited (Sat 07 Oct 14:52) Reply |
| 2. Author: Buspasspar Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 16:21 This is kicking off big time .. Hamas allegedly taken civilian and soldier hostages back to Gazza .. Can only end in tears We are forever shaped by the Children we once were Reply |
| 3. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 17:09 Israel being causing problems in Gaza Strip for a while, they was bound to be repercussions sometime. Reply |
| 4. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 17:21 LochgellyAlbert, Sat 7 Oct 17:09 Their settler incursions into the West Bank are a lot lot worse tbf Reply |
| 5. Author: DBP Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 18:02 Did they not do a heap of damage Gaza in 2021… I think the conditions in Gaza are now so bad with all the restrictions etc , that they feel they have nothing to lose even when Israel retaliate to their coordinated strike Reply |
| 6. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Sat 7th Oct 2023. 18:27 I think they would gladly go into both WB and Gaza and clear them out (ethnically) if they wouldn’t face a backlash from the other Arab nations. Palestine is a scourge on the Jewish holy lands. The problem is the UN are fully supportive of Israel and wont act on their war crimes like they will Palestine and Hamas….. Reply |
| 7. Author: Buspasspar Date: Mon 9th Oct 2023. 15:55 Worth a watch if the link works :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6foh3zc82zq Post Edited (Mon 09 Oct 15:58) Reply |
| 8. Author: sammer Date: Mon 9th Oct 2023. 17:59 The link worked fine for me and took me on a short journey to related topics. Here is one which is very good on how US media controls the language and parameters of debate on the situation in Palestine. https://youtu.be/-8jN-Suxos0 sammer Reply |
| 9. Author: Buspasspar Date: Mon 9th Oct 2023. 18:04 There ye go sammer https://youtu.be/-8jn-suxos0 Post Edited (Mon 09 Oct 18:04) Reply |
| 10. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Tue 10th Oct 2023. 19:48 Is big Joe trying to push to intervene? Send the US into Gaza and the West Bank to clear out the terrorists? UK can tag along with their 2 new aircraft carriers….. Can see another Afgan/Iraq situation appearing here….. Reply |
| 11. Author: Andrew283 Date: Tue 10th Oct 2023. 23:07 Gaza has been absolutely levelled now. US funded weapons now being handed out to Israeli civs. This is going to be a genocide Reply |
| 12. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 08:11 I`m genuinely confused at the position the government is taking, though not entirely surprised. What Hamas are doing is evil. It cannot be justified. However, Israel`s activities are what has led to this. I don`t buy into not supporting Israel as being anti-Semitic. What they`ve been doing is wrong. What Hamas are doing is wrong. This isn`t a game where you take sides. Reply |
| 13. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 11:19 Israel/Jewish is where the money is globally! Reply |
| 14. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 12:28 That`s surely a bit of a stereotype focussed on the likes of the Rothschild family? I think there`s a lot of nonsense around religion. Anyone can choose to be (or not) whatever religion they please. That said, there are people who mark themselves as being Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc. In many cases this IS their religion but often it`s just assumed. We see it every week in Scotland with a bunch of supposed Catholics and Protestants singing daft songs. How many are actually active church members? How many were baptised? In my view it`s a confusion between faith and race. If I convert to Judaism today, do I suddenly become one of the many stereotypes? Reply |
| 15. Author: GG Riva Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 13:44 Arabs and Jews lived in Palestine, relatively peacefully, side by side, for thousands of years. The present problem is a direct result of external interference by the likes of Britain and France. It`s not a problem which is going to go away any time soon. Both groups believe this small land historically belongs to them, and neither side is prepared to concede an inch. Sadly, many innocent people are likely to die in this conflict. Jake is correct in that there is wrongdoing on both sides. This isn`t a war of good v evil. It`s difficult to see how any lasting peace can be found if other countries line up to support one side or the other. Truly depressing.  Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 16. Author: The One Who Knocks Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 14:21 And there is LA with the first anti semetic trope of the thread. And although my eyes were open They just might as well be closed Reply |
| 17. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 14:33 The problem was caused by the UN creating Israel in the 40s then supporting it, despite them forcing out Arabs from lands that were theres. Now there will be a UN solution - by ridding the Arabs from the lands they held once and for all under the premise of ridding them of Hammas. What I think the UN and Israel are worried about more is Hezbullah getting involved - as they are a real threat backed by Iran (and probably other Middle Eastern countries privately) - then we could be in for WW3 with that and Ukraine conflict being the catalysts….. Reply |
| 18. Author: jake89 Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 15:54 This is where I find it problematic that countries are nailing their colours to the mast on this. What`s been going on in Israel isn`t new. People have just turned a blind eye to a lot of bad things going on on BOTH sides. Anyone disagreeing with Israel seem to be marked as being anti-Semetic, which to me feels very uncomfortable as it suggests Israel can do no wrong. I am in no way supportive of violence, especially the barbaric violence we have seen reported in the past week. However, it`s not as black and white as the media seems to portray it. I don`t wish to make light of the situation, but it does feel like Israel have been prodding a tiger and are now shocked at getting bitten. The last update I saw it looked like there were approximately 1000 deaths on each side. Very much an eye for an eye. This is not going to resolve things. If nothing else, it will probably make things worse as other nations get involved. Reply |
| 19. Author: GG Riva Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 16:37 Dave_1885, Wed 11 Oct 14:33 The "problems" started long before the 1940s, Dave. Britain and France carved up much of the Middle East between them, with the French in the northern land that is now Syria and Britain in Palestine. The guilt felt by the Allied countries after the full horrors suffered by the Jews at the hands of Nazi Germany led to the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine. Unfortunately, it wasn`t an empty place waiting to be colonised by Holocaust survivors and Jews from other lands who had suffered terrible persecution. Even without hindsight, it must have been glaringly obvious that the displaced Palestinians were not going to take it well. Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 20. Author: veteraneastender Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 17:12 A relative worked in the Middle East way back in 1970s/80s and told me that in reality the rest of the Arab world looked down on the Palestinians. Although there was no formal caste system they were considered the lowest strata of society working in the menial job market. Reply |
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