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41. Author:  Andrew283        
Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 23:30

Tad Allagash, Wed 11 Oct 23:21

‘I`m sure Hamas would kill more, but I`m sure Israel would too. They both lack the political support to do so though.’

But the point is Israel COULD kill more and they haven’t. We don’t have to speculate on what they would do.

Israel have nuclear weapons.

Now what do you think would happen if Hamas had nuclear weapons?


Israel have been slaughtering Palestinians for decades? The hell are you on about? It`s like right wingers have complete amnesia regarding Israel`s past actions

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42. Author:  Tad Allagash        
Date: Wed 11th Oct 2023. 23:59

For decades? And Palestinians still exist?

If Hamas had Israel’s weapons, then Israel would be gone in a day - not decades.



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43. Author:  jake89        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 00:04

Israel can`t kill more. If they did, how would they justify it? It wouldn`t be supported.

None of this should be supported on either side. The acceptance that Israel is right to respond in this way is incredible.

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44. Author:  PARrot        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 00:04

Andrew283, Wed 11 Oct 23:30

Tad Allagash, Wed 11 Oct 23:21

‘I`m sure Hamas would kill more, but I`m sure Israel would too. They both lack the political support to do so though.’

But the point is Israel COULD kill more and they haven’t. We don’t have to speculate on what they would do.

Israel have nuclear weapons.

Now what do you think would happen if Hamas had nuclear weapons?


Israel have been slaughtering Palestinians for decades? The hell are you on about? It`s like right wingers have complete amnesia regarding Israel`s past actions


I`m not now never have been and never will be a right winger and I do not have any measure of amnesia regarding this conflict.

Please, fill me in with your understanding of which side did what since 1945



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45. Author:  Andrew283        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 00:54

PARrot, Thu 12 Oct 00:04

Andrew283, Wed 11 Oct 23:30

Tad Allagash, Wed 11 Oct 23:21

‘I`m sure Hamas would kill more, but I`m sure Israel would too. They both lack the political support to do so though.’

But the point is Israel COULD kill more and they haven’t. We don’t have to speculate on what they would do.

Israel have nuclear weapons.

Now what do you think would happen if Hamas had nuclear weapons?


Israel have been slaughtering Palestinians for decades? The hell are you on about? It`s like right wingers have complete amnesia regarding Israel`s past actions


I`m not now never have been and never will be a right winger and I do not have any measure of amnesia regarding this conflict.

Please, fill me in with your understanding of which side did what since 1945


I mean, there are time lapses of Israel taking Palestinian land within a click on Google if you want to look?

I should also raise this point aswell, the average age of Palestine currently is, wait for it, 18... 43% of the populace is 14 or under. It`s currently being levelled by a far far superior military nation, backed by the west. Hamas are bastards but Israel are committing equal war crimes right now, unpunished.

Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 01:01)

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46. Author:  Kintos        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 08:03

As is always the case with this conflict, there are those who show support for either side (and that`s to be expected). It`s pretty concerning though that there is an apparent inability for those Pro-Israeli posters to condemn the Israeli response, and indeed the Israeli conduct over the years. At least the likes of Dave and Andrew, who are clearly quite emotive on the subject, can still at least recognise Hamas` actions as being abhorrent and condemn it.

And because the inevitable analogy has already been made... Imagine Britain decided to bomb the living hell out of West Belfast after Omagh... Oh wait, you couldn`t imagine that could you because it would be beyond comprehension

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47. Author:  Wotsit        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 08:16

Wee bit context

The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.

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48. Author:  The One Who Knocks        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 08:20

Kintos I don`t think that analogy works as that would be Britain bombing a British city.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed


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49. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 11:05

The One Who Knocks, Thu 12 Oct 08:20

Kintos I don`t think that analogy works as that would be Britain bombing a British city.


Change Belfast to Dublin and you have the correct analogy - it didnt happen, but the UK government are fully supportive of other nations doing it it seems.

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50. Author:  Wotsit        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 11:19

The British shelled Dublin during the Easter Uprising with heavy artillery and a gunboat.

Although being less atrocious than the British Empire is a high bar.



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51. Author:  veteraneastender        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 14:35

"The British shelled Dublin during the Easter Uprising with heavy artillery and a gunboat."

Wasn`t that against rebel positions ?



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52. Author:  Wotsit        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 14:42

veteraneastender, Thu 12 Oct 14:35

"The British shelled Dublin during the Easter Uprising with heavy artillery and a gunboat."

Wasn`t that against rebel positions ?


I`m not an expert on artillery accuracy in the 1920s but I`m fairly sure it wasn`t up to much?

The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.

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53. Author:  Kintos        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 15:09

The One Who Knocks, Thu 12 Oct 08:20

Kintos I don`t think that analogy works as that would be Britain bombing a British city.


Yeah TOWK I get the geographic stumbling block in that analogy, more just to highlight the `us and them` approach and if we`re being honest, if Israel had it`s way, Gaza would exist as part of Israel.

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54. Author:  DBP        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 18:08

Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, it’s about 1/4 the size of fife, populated mostly by children and teenagers and over least few days Israel has dropped over six thousand bombs there

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55. Author:  Buspasspar        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 18:19

This breaking from Aunty :-

The UK will deploy patrol and surveillance aircraft and two Royal Navy ships to the eastern Mediterranean “to support Israel", No 10 says.

Maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft will begin flying in the region tomorrow "to track threats to regional stability".

A Royal Navy task group will be moved to the area next week as a contingency measure to support humanitarian efforts.

There will be no Humans left in Gazza by then

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were


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56. Author:  Dave_1885        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 18:28

Buspasspar, Thu 12 Oct 18:19

This breaking from Aunty :-

The UK will deploy patrol and surveillance aircraft and two Royal Navy ships to the eastern Mediterranean “to support Israel", No 10 says.

Maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft will begin flying in the region tomorrow "to track threats to regional stability".

A Royal Navy task group will be moved to the area next week as a contingency measure to support humanitarian efforts.

There will be no Humans left in Gazza by then


Thats our whole navy these days to be fair 🙄

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57. Author:  GG Riva        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 19:09

I see the BBC has been strongly criticised by the government for failing to describe Hamas militants as terrorists. Several Western countries have had no such reservations and are reporting the conflict from a seemingly strongly pro-Israeli position.

I can`t see how one side is any better than the other - both are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Hamas is guilty of setting off this latest conflict, but it is surely no surprise given the resentment felt by those living Gaza, which is virtually a large open prison. I`m not suggesting for a minute that Israel doesn`t have the right to defend itself from these horrendous attacks, but something needs to be done to tackle the root cause of this long-standing feud. Bombing one another is only going to make the situation worse and increases the risk of escalation, with the West lining up behind Israel and the Arab nations behind the Palestinians.



Not your average Sunday League player.


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58. Author:  Buspasspar        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 19:34

Good Post GG

I cannot for the life of me understand why Hamas would do what they did when they knew full well the retribution that would befall them ..

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were


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59. Author:  veteraneastender        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 20:50

"I`m not an expert on artillery accuracy in the 1920s but I`m fairly sure it wasn`t up to much?"

More than accurate enough to target specific rebel strongholds - it was the considered the decisive factor which persuaded the leaders of the insurrection to seek terms of surrender.

Comparisons with the Israel/Gaza tragedy are entirely dubious.

Irish regiments of the British Army were fighting in France and the vast majority of the Irish population were not supportive of the uprising - captured rebels were subject to angry scenes and spat upon etc.in Dublin



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60. Author:  Tad Allagash        
Date: Thu 12th Oct 2023. 23:18

The British had 1920’s artillery in 1916?



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