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| 241. Author: Andrew283 Date: Tue 21st Nov 2023. 23:36 Mr Mac, Tue 21 Nov 20:48 My mistake, you`re absolutely correct Reply |
| 242. Author: onandupthepars Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 02:18 I recommend `From Beirut to Jerusalem`, a book by Ang Swee Chai, a Malaysian surgeon who witnessed the massacres of Palestinians when Israel invaded Lebanon in the 1980s. (The PLO had gone from the Palestinian refugee camps, but the remaining refugees were murdered anyway.) You can get the book for a few quid on the net. The atrocities against civilians were just the same then as now in Gaza, and I`m forced to conclude that the Israeli government AND Hamas have a similar view of civilians, as being worthy of absolutely no consideration, when they are pursuing their causes. I think undoubtedly the Israeli govt looks on Palestinians as enemies of the Jewish (Old Testament) God. They look on Palestinians as descendents of Philistines, and that connection is thoroughly alive in the minds of people such as Netanyahu. You must bear in mind that to some Jews the Bible is not a book that they dip into now and again - I think it`s fair to say that - since they believe themselves to be their God`s chosen people - many are fanatical and keep alive lots of ancient ideas that are included in the Old Testament. We`re not just talking medieval mindsets here; with Judaism, some of the ideas and beliefs are thousands of years old. It stands to reason there were no civil rights or human rights when the Old Testament or, probably, any other Holy book was written, so there`s attitudes in them that are not appropriate to the modern world. Post Edited (Wed 22 Nov 03:23) Reply |
| 243. Author: Parboiled Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 10:12 The waste of spacers in Holyrood have zilch influence on this situation. Nobody outside the pretendy wee Parliament is listening, nobody cares. Hamza, his fellow lying IPad side kick, and the rest of the thickos who sit behind them should stick to the day job of making a mess of everything they touch and leave diplomacy to proper governments. Reply |
| 244. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 10:22 Parboiled, Wed 22 Nov 10:12 🎣🎣🎣 Reply |
| 245. Author: da_no_1 Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 10:26 I`m no lover of the SNP but man alive folk need to stop going on about this iPad thing. There are far more important issues going on in the world. "Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark" Post Edited (Wed 22 Nov 10:26) Reply |
| 246. Author: wee eck Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 11:24 Not to Parboiled there aren`t. He`s obsessed with a `pretendy wee Parliament`, which must be a bit of a contradiction. Reply |
| 247. Author: LochgellyAlbert Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 11:52 It`s unusual for the Tories in Holyrood to vote against the ceasefire! Utter scum!😲🤬🤬🤬 DRoss must be thinking about what he can do with all the money he got for "levelling up" Reply |
| 248. Author: Andrew283 Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 12:49 Parboiled, Wed 22 Nov 10:12 Christ, what a waste of oxygen you are. Reply |
| 249. Author: back oh the net Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 12:51 Parboiled, Wed 22 Nov 10:12 proper governments eh? Like the one at Westminster? The same Westminster government who under the last how many prime minister’s the Home Secretary has been as right wing as they come with the one who has recently been sacked hell bent on having a pro Palestinian march banned and this wee gem homelessness is a lifestyle choice aye try telling that to the hundreds of gulf war vets who are homeless Come on ye pars ⚽️ Reply |
| 250. Author: sammer Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 13:34 ‘’I think undoubtedly the Israeli govt looks on Palestinians as enemies of the Jewish (Old Testament) God. They look on Palestinians as descendents of Philistines, and that connection is thoroughly alive in the minds of people such as Netanyahu.’’ I think that’s true, in fact the evidence is there in front of our eyes. Netanyahu referred to ‘Amalek’ in a speech last week whilst calling Hamas ‘medieval.’ It’s not clear whether his objection to ‘medieval’ is because it is a mindset too old, or maybe too modern, for his liking. ‘’It stands to reason there were no civil rights or human rights when the Old Testament or, probably, any other Holy book was written, so there`s attitudes in them that are not appropriate to the modern world.’’ There’s no reason to think there were any fewer civil or human rights. The modern world will be no less or more civilised than what went before; the biggest difference is our capacity through scientific development to murder on a scale unimaginable back in earlier times. The word ‘Neanderthal’ is often used on this site as a pejorative term but there is no evidence that our cousins were any less civilised than ourselves. We wouldn’t have survived easily in Europe without their help, just as the Europeans who colonised America would have struggled without the assistance of the ‘savage’ Native American Indians. sammer Reply |
| 251. Author: onandupthepars Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 21:35 Ref: onandupthepars, Wed 22 Nov 02:18 "It stands to reason there were no civil rights or human rights when the Old Testament or, probably, any other Holy book was written, so there`s attitudes in them that are not appropriate to the modern world." Ref: sammer, Wed 22 Nov 13:34 "There’s no reason to think there were any fewer civil or human rights. The modern world will be no less or more civilised than what went before" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don`t know about that - civilisation`s gone backwards, innit? I wouldn`t even get deported to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread nowadays. Instead of a deserved life sentence in the sun and surf on Bondi beach, they`d probably let me off and arrange a regular delivery of food parcels. Seriously though- you can`t beat a good public flogging, or witch stoning. They never stood for any civil and human rights nonsense in the old days. Post Edited (Wed 22 Nov 21:37) Reply |
| 252. Author: red-star-par Date: Wed 22nd Nov 2023. 21:58 Andrew283, Wed 22 Nov 12:49 Can`t disagree with this at all Reply |
| 253. Author: sammer Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 01:34 Civilisation, as Ghandi said, is a very interesting idea. Stealing a loaf might sound severe but the law must be upheld. Had you stolen that loaf, or a pair of trainers during the so-called Tottenham riots, then your jail time might have been the same. Except you could serve it in your own country courtesy of His Majesty. Meet your own school chums from the playground. We have plenty prisons now, no need for Australia or prison hulks. We in the UK jail 2x as many people as in the 1960s. Now that`s what I call progress. Lock the buggers up! There is none so free as a serf. Thank the Lord for freedom from oppression. God save King Charles. sammer Reply |
| 254. Author: veteraneastender Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 13:37 Sadly nobody in the Arab world appears to be over motivated by the plight of Palestinians except for an outward condemnation of Israel, which is always standard mindset anyway. A relative worked in the Middle East for some years and told me that the rest of the Arabs looked down on Palestinians - although there was no formal caste system (as in India) they were regarded as the lowest in the community. Not my opinion, just an observation from somebody who spent time there. Post Edited (Thu 23 Nov 13:39) Reply |
| 255. Author: buffy Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 19:13 Any chance admin could move this and the other political thread to the Politics forum please? ”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019” Reply |
| 256. Author: Dave_1885 Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 19:17 buffy, Thu 23 Nov 19:13 I dont actually feel like this is a political thread tbh. Id say its a world news story that needs highlighted Reply |
| 257. Author: GG Riva Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 21:15 Dave_1885, Thu 23 Nov 19:17 I heard a senior Palestinian politician on SKY news - didn`t catch his name - claim that Jews have a label for everyone. A Jew who feels compassion for Palestinian civilians is allegedly "a self-hating Jew." Wow!  Not your average Sunday League player. Reply |
| 258. Author: sammer Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 22:18 I think the usual term is slightly stronger: `self-loathing Jew.` There were around 400 Jewish American people arrested a couple of weeks ago at New York`s main railway station for protesting against Israeli military action inside Gaza. sammer Reply |
| 259. Author: onandupthepars Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 22:48 I was thinking about what humanity`s main problem - the inability to peacefully co-exist - boils down to: lack of empathy? Most of us, I think, can empathise with our own family, but not so many go beyond that. Certainly it seems those who can fully empathise with people from other countries are a minority. Hamas don`t empathise with Israelis, and many Israelis have no empathy - not just for Hamas - but none also for the people they equate them to, i.e. Palestinians. It`s incredible that modern people are so backward-thinking. But what can be done about it? I think empathy pretty much = compassion = love, of a certain kind (there are lots of different kinds of love) - I`d say Netanyahu, and members of Hamas, all experience it for their own families, and maybe even for many people of their own flag. Why does it stop there? The flag, the country, the tribe, the race etc. What is it that prevents the empathy people have for their own families from spreading out further, even to everyone else? `Why Israel hates the Palestinians so much` by M. Bishara, political analyst at Al Jazeera: Can`t swear to have got this 100% right, but basically I think he says they hate them because a) Palestinians are integral to the history, geography and nature of the landscape. (Quote:)"Israel has long resorted to theology and mythology to justify its existence, when the Palestinians need no such justification; belonging...so naturally." b) they are exceeedingly brave and won`t give up the land, no matter what is done to them; c) By 2050, there could be more Palestinians than Israelis, (which he describes as a threat to Israel`s existence - I don`t know why that should be - there are other places where a minority race or political group rules?) https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/8/8/why-israel-hates-the-palestinians-so-much Post Edited (Thu 23 Nov 23:44) Reply |
| 260. Author: EastEndTales Date: Thu 23rd Nov 2023. 22:59 Humanity`s main problem is that the majority of us are selfish, hateful cunts. Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607 Reply |
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